Rough draft of first cycle

**nsa** · 10-09-2004, 09:34 PM

Week 1-10: 100 mg of test prop EOD
Week 1-10: 1.25 mg of femara EOD
Week 11-14: Clomid ED (300-100-50)
Week 11-14: 20 mg of nolvadex ED Nolvadex

How does that cycle look?
First real cycle, but have injected myself with things before for medicinal reasons, those injections were subcutaneous injects not intramuscular injects.

stats are:
21 years old
5'8"
180 lbs
About 8-9% BF i think

**KeyMastur** · 10-09-2004, 09:38 PM

why not just a longer ester for less frequent injections ??

**CHSDOG55** · 10-09-2004, 09:41 PM

I agree but honestly i really love prop. I have had my best gains off of prop so if u can handle the eod injects then i say hell yea go for it. It does get old but the gains from prop in my book are worth it. Everything looks good to me.

**nsa** · 10-09-2004, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by KeyMastur

why not just a longer ester for less frequent injections ??

I have no problem with EOD injects. Don't really want the bloat from test e or test c. I don't want to wait to see results. I don't want to be detectable for long after my cycle ends.

**SportsMedVIP** · 10-09-2004, 10:02 PM

You should start PCT 3 days after your last prop shot, not 1 week after. Just making sure that's not a typo.

**dogsofwar** · 10-09-2004, 10:08 PM

Hey nsa- As you know, I am on my first cycle and the bloat is nada with Test E ( I am using ldex and nolva). I am shooting 600mg with 600mg of EQ eod. Prop can also be sore longer than other esters. So you will have to rotate injection sites more frequently. Good luck bro.

**itsallmental** · 10-09-2004, 10:34 PM

why dont you run the nolva @ 10 mg instead of 20?

**dogsofwar** · 10-09-2004, 10:37 PM

10 seems to be the norm. Then 20 during pct.

**nsa** · 10-09-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by ECoastVIP

You should start PCT 3 days after your last prop shot, not 1 week after. Just making sure that's not a typo.

Week 1-10 meaning through tenth week and i will start pct on 3 days after. And for the nolvadex it will be 15 mg's of nolvadex ED, the tabs i have are 30 mg each so i will split them.

**almostgone** · 10-10-2004, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by nsa

Week 1-10: 100 mg of test prop EOD
Week 1-10: 1.25 mg of femara EOD
Week 11-14: Clomid ED (300-100-50)
Week 11-14: 20 mg of nolvadex ED Nolvadex

How does that cycle look?
First real cycle, but have injected myself with things before for medicinal reasons, those injections were subcutaneous injects not intramuscular injects.

stats are:
21 years old
5'8"
180 lbs
About 8-9% BF i think

100mg of test prop EOD is a little low, Try 75mg ED, that's about 525mg/ week and ED injections will keep your blood levels more stable...good luck

**dieseL atC** · 10-10-2004, 08:22 AM

well for his first cycle 350mg of prop should be more then enough... that's what my bro is on and he's making good progress - up like 9 lbs in 4 weeks. good luck

**almostgone** · 10-10-2004, 09:57 AM

Glad you friend is making good gains on that dosage,....here's some good info

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=120894

none of the test dosages are under 400mg/week, most are 500mg/week, and prop@ 75 mg ED is fairly conservative

**dogsofwar** · 10-10-2004, 10:20 AM

A lot of people are doing low dose cycles these days. IMHO, I don't think prop is the best choice for an entire cycle especially at a low dose. If you have a prop with a high BB count, your going to be sore in every place you inject. Its most likely you will regardless with prop. Secondly, I would do a minimum of 500mg weekly or even 600. With ldex, you really do not have that much bloat at all. I hardly have any whatsoever.

**nsa** · 10-10-2004, 01:57 PM

What about a test prop and masteron mix for the 8 weeks? Prop and masteron each 100mg EOD. That should cut down on the pain from injection but also give more maintainable gains, right? And would i still need letro during that since masteron is a semi-anti-estrogen?

**floyd_turbo** · 10-10-2004, 03:03 PM

inject prop ED. also, theres a big difference pschologically between an IM injection and a sub-q injection

**floyd_turbo** · 10-10-2004, 03:05 PM

also, u dont need nolva when runnning femera until pct

**nsa** · 10-10-2004, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by floyd_turbo

also, u dont need nolva when runnning femera until pct

I know there is a big difference between subQ and IM but i know i can inject and not hit a vein and aspirate to make sure. I don't want to inject ED and from what i understand that doesn't make your blood levels differ much from ED injects. I am not running nolvadex until pct.