deca and winstrol

[johnny1234]

i have already had gynecomastia surgery and it has been about 3 months since then. i have been in the gym working out after the surgery. I got gyno from test 250. I even took the proper precautions but i dont think the nolva was true nolva. Im looking to do another cycle. im 22 years old 5'8' 202lbs. loking to get bulkier and cutter. So i am deciding to do qv deca 300 and qv winstrol .

deca 1-6weeks
winstrol 3-8weeks
pct cloimid
vitamin b6 200mg ed. throughout and during pct.,

i know i need test but since test cause me gyno last time and im not using it and im hoping winstrol will take the place of the test.

Since i have had gyno surgery and they removed the glands , i shouldnt get this again. Im doing a light cycle bc i dont want to do to much. eight weeks is enough forme. so has anyone who has had gyno surgery ever gotten it again and do you think this cycle can cause it easily.

i went to the endocrinologist earlier this month and he told me that my levels are fine and that my testosterone is fine as well.

[KGBnine]

If your glands were removed, you will not have to worry about getting gyno again. This means that you can run test and not worry about gyno problems. I would run test with that, and no winny will not replace test. Deca is best run upwards to 12 weeks or more, so I think you should readjust your schedule and run test weeks 1-14 and deca 1-12. I would put the winny in for the last 6 weeks.

[johnny1234]

what would happen if i didnt run test with it. and i just ran deca and winstrol . and pct afterwards.
i know i would get deca dick. but besides that anything else.

also would equipoise be better to stack with winstrol than deca. and would it cause less side effects.

How much test would i need to run and what kind as well?

Last of all for sure i wouldnt get gyno back if i started another cycle, it has been 3 months since surgery and i guess it wouldnt do nothing to my pecs,.

[KGBnine]

It owuld be hard to recover your natural test levels. I would run test Enanthate or Cypionate at 500mgs/week and the deca at 400mg's/week. THe main thing is to run the deca slightly lower than the test. About the Gyno...if all the glands were removed, there wouldnt be a chance for the gyno to come back, so your ok there.

[johnny1234]

should i run vitamin b6 with it during the cycle.

also would eq be better to run than deca ?/
i weigh 202 and looking to get cut and a little bulkier.

but the only thing with just taking deca by itself and winsrol is that it would supress your test and wouldnt clomid be able to reboot it,?

i have ran deca and winstrol before and i was impressed with results and my test didnt hurt that bad and it was back to normal soon later.

last of all just coming out of gynecomastia surgery it shouldnt messed up what the doctor did too it bc i have to go see him again for a checkup , he wont notice that i took more steroids ,.and it shouldnt effect on how my pecs look like

[KGBnine]

should i run vitamin b6 with it during the cycle.

also would eq be better to run than deca ?/
i weigh 202 and looking to get cut and a little bulkier.

but the only thing with just taking deca by itself and winsrol is that it would supress your test and wouldnt clomid be able to reboot it,?

i have ran deca and winstrol before and i was impressed with results and my test didnt hurt that bad and it was back to normal soon later.

last of all just coming out of gynecomastia surgery it shouldnt messed up what the doctor did too it bc i have to go see him again for a checkup , he wont notice that i took more steroids ,.and it shouldnt effect on how my pecs look like

Yeah run the b6 and nolva. I'm not sure which is better as far as deca and Eq is concerned, I'd say it's a matter of preference. What do you mean how your pecs look?

[bignatt]

i would go with EQ IMO also you can use test as a maintnence dose at 250mg/wk

[johnny1234]

i mean if i do take steroids after my surgery in which im about to do , will it mess up what the surgeon did by removin all the faty tissue and the shape of the pec bc the pec is more flatter now.
i have to go see my doc in a month for a check up on my pecs and im sure he cant tell if i juice up again or what you think.
and your sayin i should run nolva thoroughout the cycle just in case i get gyno bc i thought u said it woudlnt come back.,

[bignatt]

i would run nolva at 10mg/day through the whole cycle maybe even 20 since your prone

[KGBnine]

no it will have no affect on the shape. Working out will make your chest bigger, but using gear in itself will have no affect.

[johnny1234]

could i take tribulus for a test booster ???

also if taking 20mg of nolva during cycle , wouldnt that be a waste bc im not going to gyno again bc of the glands removed.

the only thing i could think of taking nolva is bc reducing water weight.

[bignatt]

you could just run it at 10mg to keep your lipid profile okand you could take tribulus but not as a replacement for test

[johnny1234]

you think i should be fine if i run tribulus at 10mg and deca and winstrol .

deca 250mg 1-7 weeks
winstrol 50mg 3-8 weeks and im going to drink the liquid as well on some days
clomid at the end and nolvadex at the end
nolvadex 10mg ed.
tribuls 10mg ed.
vitamin b6 ed 200mg

would i this be an alrite cycle, and do you think i will be that bloated from it.

and should get any bad =side effects from this cycle.

thanks for helping me out man i appreciate it,. i just dont want to **** myself up since i had that surgery already. i spent 5000dollars on it and i just dont want deca or winstrol to make me look like i m getting bitch tits again. oh yea the tribulus that you buy from allsportsnutrition has tribulus with 750mg in a pill is that okay to take or no?

[bignatt]

you def need test bro trib is no substitute i would bump the deca up to 8 weeks you could try doing this as a low dose cycle
Wk 1-8 Test e 250mg/wk
WK 1-7 Deca 200mg/wk
Nolva 10mg ED
Trib 4mg ED
B6 200mg ED
Ldex .25mg EOD (for bloat if you even would get any)
Pct Nolva and clomid

[johnny1234]

the tribulus that you can get from the stores say it is 750mg in a pill is that okay to take and if so how many a day? there are none less than that in mg wise, so what do you take then
?


also do you think progestornne will form during this cycle if i dont use test, in resulting of gyno bc i keep hearing from other peolple that gyno can come back after having surgery .
Last of all i willl be runnning this at a low cycle dose and it wont be much of a big cycle just to get me going.;

[bignatt]

i meant 4 grams of trib sorry

[johnny1234]

4 grams of tribulus =what?

im talking about the pills tribulus , each pill contains 750mgs , how many do i take a day during cycle .
and should i take them with pct as well?

do you think i there will be anything wrong with me if i run deca , winstrol , and tribulus, for the last time ,by what i mean is do you think in any way there is a chance i could get gyno again. with the low dosages that im using i dont think there is any way i can get gyno but im not sure,
?

thats all my quesitons thanks for taking the time to answer them,.

[bignatt]

i doubt you will get gyno but its always better to be safe than sorry there is 1000mg in 1g so 6 pills if your pills are 750mg of the trib

[supa_juicy]

Eh just curious how much for the surgery and is there any scarring?

[johnny1234]

5000 for surgery and little scarring , cant even tell.

also you think taking 6 pills a day of tribulus wil be okay for me and how will that help me if im not taking test and just deca and winstrol .
taking 20mg of nolva ed and 200mg of vitaimin b6 ed. throughout the cycle and afterwards during pct including nolva/
will i be fine if i just run this ,

and i just dont want to get gyno at all and i dont want to gain to much weight and water weight espeically during the cycle.

[bignatt]

the ldex will prevent the bloat the nolva prevent the gyno along with the b6 as well i dont reccomend you do a cycle without test ive read that 4g of trib will prevent testicular atrophy if ran during a cycle.....winny has been also shown to fight against progesterone gyno

[johnny1234]

but i plan on running deca for 7 weeks at 300mg (as pyramid cycle)
winstrol at 2-7 weeks or 8 just depends at 50mg ed.

[Jackman]

everyone keeps saying run the test then your next question is well will i be ok if i add this and that! dont keep asking same question if your not going to listen! So go ahead knock yourself out!


"what would happen if i didnt run test with it. and i just ran deca and winstrol . and pct afterwards.
i know i would get deca dick. but besides that anything else"

"could i take tribulus for a test booster ???
also if taking 20mg of nolva during cycle , wouldnt that be a waste bc im not going to gyno again bc of the glands removed.
the only thing i could think of taking nolva is bc reducing water weight".

"you think i should be fine if i run tribulus at 10mg and deca and winstrol"

"do you think i there will be anything wrong with me if i run deca , winstrol, and tribulus, for the last time ,by what i mean is do you think in any way there is a chance i could get gyno again. with the low dosages that im using i dont think there is any way i can get gyno but im not sure,"

[bignatt]

ok well if that is your cycle you should probably get some cialis and bes of luck i cant really say anything other than that

[johnny1234]

thanks yall

[johnny1234]

also if taking allergy shots every week once a week will it effect the steroids .

Also when taking nolva 20mg do you need to split up in the morning and nite or does it matter when you take it
?

[bignatt]

you dont have to split the nolva up im not sure about the allergy shots

[johnny1234]

does anybody know if allergy shots are okay to take once a week with steroids .? i dont think they should effect sterioids but what is your opinion,.

[KGBnine]

I dont see why it would be a problem. I'm taking zyrtek right now along with 500mg of Test E.

[johnny1234]

last of all do you knowwhen deca is realy supose to kick in and start to feel it. i think by week3 not sure and do u know when winstrol is too