Is there any test...

**johnjohn26** · 10-26-2004, 01:13 PM

that wont give u a bloated look? Also, is it possible not to gain weight on test, just replace fat with muscle?

**KeyMastur** · 10-26-2004, 01:15 PM

test prop. maybe suspension - never had any expierence with it.

try a liquidex / nolvadex combo to combat bloat

**w_rballs** · 10-26-2004, 01:50 PM

i like femara better than l-dex. works 100X better for me. kept me bone dry

**youknowme** · 10-26-2004, 01:58 PM

Test prop works wonders, you wont be dissapointed with your results.

**Pork Chop** · 10-26-2004, 02:01 PM

Use lot's of anti-e's.

You can't transform fat to muscle. You can destroy or build either, but not transform.

**w_rballs** · 10-26-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Use lot's of anti-e's.

You can't transform fat to muscle. You can destroy or build either, but not transform.

u are wrong on your last statement. u cant "destroy" fat cells. u can jsut deflate them. when u are done growing u have a set number of fat cells and muscle cells. all u can do is make them grow bigger or shrink, unless u use HGH which can add muscle cells

**Pork Chop** · 10-26-2004, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by w_rballs

u are wrong on your last statement. u cant "destroy" fat cells. u can jsut deflate them. when u are done growing u have a set number of fat cells and muscle cells. all u can do is make them grow bigger or shrink, unless u use HGH which can add muscle cells

You're right about the fat cells.
My mistake.

**johnjohn26** · 10-26-2004, 04:57 PM

Im not trying to get any bigger. Im just looking to make some strength increases, as I have hit a plateau. Will Test-Propionate give me that bloated look? Also, Ive read in another thread that test creates a sense of well-being similar to that of GH. I was always under the impression that test made you more irritable. Can anyone clarify this?

Also, is the water retention with Propionate usually higher or lower than that of Deca ?

**bignatt** · 10-26-2004, 05:57 PM

If you use ldex or femara on test you will not bloat

**johnjohn26** · 10-26-2004, 06:20 PM

Ldex is the brand name of Arimidex , correct? What sides are usually associated with this?

**maxamillion** · 10-26-2004, 06:29 PM

So AAS dont add new muscle cells, they just expand your exsiting ones? So basically it boils down to how good your genetics are to determine how much mass you can put on.

**miamitetheu** · 10-26-2004, 11:25 PM

I need more informayion about genetropin,,how much take a day for first timne users and how much cost me a month and where I can't buy

**AustrianOAK14** · 10-26-2004, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by miamitetheu

I need more informayion about genetropin,,how much take a day for first timne users and how much cost me a month and where I can't buy

i just answered this question in the thread you posted bro

**Drummerboy** · 10-27-2004, 12:23 AM

use the prop its, lots of injections but steady levels

**Drummerboy** · 10-27-2004, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

use the prop its good, lots of injections but steady levels

good

**Anhydro78** · 10-27-2004, 12:25 AM

Use advanced training principles if you dont want to get bigger. Tell me what you want to increase and ill help you out.

**Jackman** · 10-27-2004, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by johnjohn26

Im not trying to get any bigger. Im just looking to make some strength increases, as I have hit a plateau. Will Test-Propionate give me that bloated look? Also, Ive read in another thread that test creates a sense of well-being similar to that of GH. I was always under the impression that test made you more irritable. Can anyone clarify this?

Also, is the water retention with Propionate usually higher or lower than that of Deca?

bro deca gives more water than almost anything. of course its alot lower

**Alexander the Graet** · 10-27-2004, 07:30 AM

keep the calories strict and the diet clean and u may not gain a single pound in weight but u may burn some body fat and stay at the same weight with some muscle gains! test prop or test enethtate or even susta it all dependes on the diet! in this last cycle I was eating very clean doing 750 mg test a week! and for 10 weeks I stayed at 195 but my BF went down from 14 to 11 % not bad at all I am pumped all the time veins are looking more vascular every day, so I know I have lost some BF but at the same time Gained some muscle mass and managed to stay at the same weight! I will continue like this for 6 more weeks and then pct If I stay at 195 and bring mu BF down to 9 or 10 it will be a great cycle for me withoung gaining weight but gaining muscl and loosing fat! just for u to have an idea for me right now 1% bf equals 1.95lbs of weight so if I loose 2% it will be like 3.9lbs but If I gain that much in muscle at the same time it will mean that I gained like 11lbs of muscle and lost 11lbs of fat by the end of my cycle! and of course I am stronger right know!

**juicin in ok** · 10-27-2004, 07:57 AM

i just ended a d-bol and test prop cycle
1-4 d-bol 50mg ed
1-10 100mg prop ed
after the effects of the d-bol were gone i had no bloat at all with the prop and strength went through the roof
if you really want strength go with maybe some test and tren

**w_rballs** · 10-27-2004, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by maxamillion

So AAS dont add new muscle cells, they just expand your exsiting ones? So basically it boils down to how good your genetics are to determine how much mass you can put on.

correct. AAS dont add muscle cells, but HGH and IGF can