just started cycle....1 question

**big daddy j** · 03-12-2002, 09:38 PM

1-8 500mg wk sus250
1-4 25mg ed dbol
5-8 40mg ed winny(tabs)

i cant get my hands on any clen . right now should i run some ripped fule or stacker 2 or something like that with the win.to cut the water weight down to min.?? thanks bros...

**Iconn** · 03-12-2002, 09:39 PM

Equipoise

**MindBomb** · 03-12-2002, 09:40 PM

Fat burners won't help with water retention. What you are looking for is arimadex at .25mg or nolvadex at 10mg. Anti estrogen should help with water retention.

**big daddy j** · 03-12-2002, 09:47 PM

i would really like to cut some fat off as well..will the win help with that??

**MindBomb** · 03-12-2002, 09:57 PM

If you want to use both winny and dbol , I'll say you need to do a longer cycle. You don't want to run, especially those two, for 8 weeks straight. If you could lengthen the cycle to 12 weeks you can do the winny for last 6 weeks and give your liver a chance to recoup after the dbol. I don't know about fat loss, but it'll harden up nicely, winny that is.

**RON** · 03-12-2002, 09:58 PM

Diet is what will cut the fat. Maybe a couple things can help but diet is #1

**MindBomb** · 03-12-2002, 09:59 PM

Ron is right diet and cardio will cut fat. Best fat burner on the market.

**Iron horse** · 03-12-2002, 09:59 PM

I agree with Ron, its all about the diet you run during AS wether you loose bf or not.

**Mr LuCiFa** · 03-12-2002, 10:14 PM

bro, extend the sust to upto 10-12 weeks
8 weeks is too short

**thecoachman** · 03-12-2002, 11:26 PM

Don't try to cut and bulk at the same time! Do one or the other. I am bulking now and I reallly am not concerned about fat until I am done w. my bulker. You will not get all you can out of your gear if you try and do both. do the bulk for 8 weeks then start cutting at week 9 and on w/ diet and Rip fuel, clen , ECA etc.....

Eat like a horse for the 8 weeks and gain like a mad man. Its harder to gain mass but its rather easy to cut fat.

next cycle start a mad cutter. Eq, fina, winny t3 whatever?

**Mr LuCiFa** · 03-12-2002, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by thecoachman

Its harder to gain mass but its rather easy to cut fat.

lol, speak for urself buddy!

**arthurb999** · 03-12-2002, 11:32 PM

With what you have got... change it a bit to...

500 mg sus for 10 weeks
25 mg dbol ed for weeks 1-4
50 mg winnie ed for weeks 8-12
Clomid 3 days after last winnie dose
** optional 0.25 mg arimidex ed.

This way you give your liver a break and make sure to load up on the milk thistle.