torn

**zx7racing** · 11-04-2004, 09:08 AM

1-4 75mg prop ed
1-15 750mg test e wk
1-10 500mg tren e wk
14-17 50mg winny ed
DNP before and after 10-20 days @ 200ed

OR

DNP before and after 10-20days @ 200ed
1-4 50mg dbol ed
1-15 Test 750mg wk
1-14 Eq 400mg wk

1-10 Tren e 500mg ed

14-17 Winny 50mg ed

this will be my first experience with tren- so i am torn as whether or not i want to include EQ at all?
this is also really my first attemp at anything resembling a "cutting" cycle; my ultimate goal is to be +- 225 at circa 10-12%bf
currently 5-10- 28 yrs- 4th cycle- 220 13-14%bf--- i am not expecting to reach my goal from this up comming cycle, though i do not want to add anymore unwanted weight. i am just finishing up a test e/deca / dbol cycle and i've come to realize that i do not like the puffy soft look

thanks in advance,
zx

**BigGenes** · 11-04-2004, 09:11 AM

This one is the better choice. IMO

DNP before and after 10-20days @ 200ed
1-4 50mg dbol ed
1-15 Test 750mg wk
1-14 Eq 400mg wk

1-10 Tren e 500mg ed

14-17 Winny 50mg ed

**zx7racing** · 11-04-2004, 11:04 AM

any other opinions

**BigGenes** · 11-04-2004, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by zx7racing

any other opinions

Generally if I agree to a post I don't make a responce. This might be a reason for the lack of responces. Everyone probably just agrees with me.

***Narkissos*** · 11-04-2004, 11:16 AM

Backtrack:
on the second option...didyou mean tren -E 500mg ed or ewk?

**BigGenes** · 11-04-2004, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

Backtrack:
on the second option...didyou mean tren-E 500mg ed or ewk?

E meant ew dude. There is no way he is going to take any form of tren at 500mg ed. lol

***Narkissos*** · 11-04-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by zx7racing

1-4 75mg prop ed
1-15 750mg test e wk
1-10 500mg tren e wk
14-17 50mg winny ed
DNP before and after 10-20 days @ 200ed

OR

DNP before and after 10-20days @ 200ed
1-4 50mg dbol ed
1-15 Test 750mg wk
1-14 Eq 400mg wk

1-10 Tren e 500mg ed

14-17 Winny 50mg ed

this will be my first experience with tren- so i am torn as whether or not i want to include EQ at all?
this is also really my first attemp at anything resembling a "cutting" cycle; my ultimate goal is to be +- 225 at circa 10-12%bf
currently 5-10- 28 yrs- 4th cycle- 220 13-14%bf--- i am not expecting to reach my goal from this up comming cycle, though i do not want to add anymore unwanted weight. i am just finishing up a test e/deca / dbol cycle and i've come to realize that i do not like the puffy soft look

thanks in advance,
zx

Had me scared for a bit...*dials hospice*

I prefer BigGene's approach

Why d-bol for 4weeks as opposed to 6 tho?
[curiosity]

**ColdSore** · 11-04-2004, 12:09 PM

#1 all the way IMO...fukk EQ...i have seen to many bros not get **** from it...the tren will severly over power it too...you wont even know its there if you use it

**BigGenes** · 11-04-2004, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

#1 all the way IMO...fukk EQ...i have seen to many bros not get **** from it...the tren will severly over power it too...you wont even know its there if you use it

The tren will over power it? Explain bro. I mean he will be using the tren in both cycles I think adding the EQ is a good call. You are right are far as the hardening goes, but the hunger on EQ is awesome for mass gains. Plus he can run the Eq longer than the tren to add to some extra hardening. IMO

**zx7racing** · 11-04-2004, 12:41 PM

thats what i'm leaning against- i honestly dont think that adding eq will make that big of a difference in my gains.

Originally Posted by ColdStone

#1 all the way IMO...fukk EQ...i have seen to many bros not get **** from it...the tren will severly over power it too...you wont even know its there if you use it

**ColdSore** · 11-04-2004, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by BigGenes

The tren will over power it? Explain bro. I mean he will be using the tren in both cycles I think adding the EQ is a good call. You are right are far as the hardening goes, but the hunger on EQ is awesome for mass gains. Plus he can run the Eq longer than the tren to add to some extra hardening. IMO

the hardening, vascularity, size, and strength will all be from the tren ...eq is too mild to see anything from it next to tren IMO...the only thing i would even think of useing it for would be collogen synthesis and hunger...thats it...

anything my girlfriend can take i dont touch...

**Jackman** · 11-04-2004, 12:47 PM

i like number 1!

**ColdSore** · 11-04-2004, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by zx7racing

thats what i'm leaning against- i honestly dont think that adding eq will make that big of a difference in my gains.

i know it wont....

one of my buds ran test/eq a few months ago and swore it was bunk...only gained 10lbs...(could have been diet..)

this time hes useing test/tren e...the test is the same batch...and in 3 weeks hes up 15 lbs and all he can talk about is how awesome tren e is...

he hated eq, and if you ask around alot of people hate it....the only people i see useing it are guys who dont like any bloat...and is generally used in the place of deca

**zx7racing** · 11-04-2004, 02:32 PM

i'm pretty sure thats the one i'm going with

Originally Posted by Jackman

i like number 1!

**Jackman** · 11-04-2004, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

i know it wont....

one of my buds ran test/eq a few months ago and swore it was bunk...only gained 10lbs...(could have been diet..)

maybe it was bunk since he probobly could gain 10 ilb with just diet or close to it. never mind with test and eq. or as you said his diet probobly sucked.

**ColdSore** · 11-04-2004, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jackman

maybe it was bunk since he probobly could gain 10 ilb with just diet or close to it. never mind with test and eq. or as you said his diet probobly sucked.

nah it wasnt bunk...i saw the lab tests for the same batch...it was 247mg/ml...supposed to be 250mg/ml..so about right on...

that was also just a recent incedent i spoke about...i could name 20 more...his diet could have been off...but use test and deca , or test and tren and even with a ****y diet he should have gotten 20-30lbs on his 2nd cycle...

**Jackman** · 11-04-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

nah it wasnt bunk...i saw the lab tests for the same batch...it was 247mg/ml...supposed to be 250mg/ml..so about right on...

that was also just a recent incedent i spoke about...i could name 20 more...his diet could have been off...but use test and deca, or test and tren and even with a ****y diet he should have gotten 20-30lbs on his 2nd cycle...

i would disagree, diet is more than 50% of the equation.

**PlasticFuture112** · 11-04-2004, 11:17 PM

Jackman, when you gonna be a mod? You know sooo much and give out soo much advice to everyone yet your no mod? Just a little awkward if you ask me..

**Jackman** · 11-05-2004, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by PlasticFuture112

Jackman, when you gonna be a mod? You know sooo much and give out soo much advice to everyone yet your no mod? Just a little awkward if you ask me..

thats an awesome compliment bro but im not even in the same class as these guys, i try to give best advice i can to my knowledge just like people did when i did not know much. thx bro!

**ColdSore** · 11-05-2004, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jackman

i would disagree, diet is more than 50% of the equation.

weve all got our own opinions...and mine is EQ is terrible

**zx7racing** · 11-05-2004, 11:41 AM

1-4 75mg test p ed
1-10 500 tren e ew
1-14 750 test e ew
14-16 75mg test p ed
13-16 winny 50mg ed
DNP before and after
this is what i have came up

**Jackman** · 11-05-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

weve all got our own opinions...and mine is EQ is terrible

im not argueing with your opinion but he should of gained more with just the test alone so it was him doing somthing wrong not the drugs.

**ColdSore** · 11-05-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by zx7racing

1-4 75mg test p ed
1-10 500 tren e ew
1-14 750 test e ew
14-16 75mg test p ed
13-16 winny 50mg ed
DNP before and after
this is what i have came up

good choice