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11-11-2004, 11:12 AM #1Banned
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some one give me a straight answer!!please
ok guys i have run into a huge prob..everyone telling me different things about frontloading? this is my cycle.
1-15 test ethan. 600mg
1-14 eq 400mg
1-13 deca 400mg
1-4 anadrols 100mg /day
now what i wanted to do was to frontload the test-e deca and EQ . no some ppl say that frontloading doesnt work at all and its a waste of money tring to frontload a long lasting ester? others say it works awsome .. and then they say frontloading means doubleing the dossage for 2 weeks and other say that its doubleing it for the first shot? can some one please tell me what it is
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11-11-2004, 11:15 AM #2Writer
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I'd do it for the first 2 weeks. Technically, frontloading could mean either, though.
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11-11-2004, 11:25 AM #3
test enanthate , deca and equipoise start working around weeks 4 and 5 so whats the hurry bro? frontloading may be will fast things up a week at the most but since u r using the anadrols I dont see the need to front load anyway! your cycle is 15 weeks long so u have from weel 4th on till week 17 to grow, understand une thing that if u gain 20 lbs in 2 weeks is not all muscle and maybe no muscle at all! be patient it is the slow consistent gains wek by week that will do the rebuilding and remodeling of your body and this way u will be able to keep most of your gains with rpoper PCT and diet!
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11-11-2004, 11:26 AM #4
Frontloading is a personal preference, therefore, you are always going to get conflicting opinions about it.
The only way to find out if it is for you is to actually try it and make your own judgement.
Like hooker says, I would go with the first two weeks as well.
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11-11-2004, 11:33 AM #6Banned
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ok so here is my cycle?and this is what u guys want me to frontload
1-15 test e 600wk
1200 for the frist 2 weeks
1-14 eq 500wk
1000 for the first 2 weeks
1-13 deca 400wk
800 for the first 2 weeks?
1-4 anadrols 100mg/daywk
AM I right
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11-11-2004, 11:36 AM #7Originally Posted by HALO7
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11-11-2004, 11:39 AM #8Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by HALO7
WHat I'd do is first or maybe even second week, take 1000 mg of the test, then drop to 600 mg for the remainder... for deca or EQ, I'd only bump it up a little, like 400 mg is your regular dose, I'd do 600 mg just for the front load. Deca is dangerous in very high doses becuase its so hard to stop progesterone conversion once it happens and mix a little progesterone with estrogen and you've got intense damage to your balls and rapidly developing gyno that is difficult to stop. Also the progesterone means you will have super duper difficult PCT to recover in.
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11-11-2004, 11:55 AM #9Banned
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thanks guys and whos eric2474??
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11-11-2004, 12:00 PM #10
Personally, I wouldn't run Deca along with EQ. Doesn't make sense to me unless you were running a low dose of Deca to help lube the joints
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11-11-2004, 12:25 PM #11Writer
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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11-11-2004, 12:31 PM #12Originally Posted by Jackman
I referred this guy to that same thread yesterday. Some people need to be spoon fed I guess.
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11-11-2004, 12:34 PM #13Originally Posted by hooker
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11-11-2004, 01:06 PM #14Member
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Okay guys I have done tons of reaserch, and this is the first time I read not to EQ and Deca at the same time- Not to say you are wrong- but I could use some more formation on this, because my cycle that I am starting in 3wks is this:
Test E 500mg/wk (1-13)
Deca 4/500 mg/wk (1-10)
EQ 500 mg/wk (1-12)
Test P - first 4 wks @100 mg/ed and wks 11-15 100mg/ed
PCT - Begins 3 days after last Test injection
Nolva - 20 mg/day Taken throughout the cycle and PCT
L-dex - .25 mg/day thoughout cycle and PCT
?? Winny 50mgs/ed wks 9-15 ??
Sorry to steal a thread, but you guys just put tons of uncertainty in my head
scooby122884
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11-11-2004, 01:13 PM #15Originally Posted by scooby122884
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11-11-2004, 01:16 PM #16Member
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Thanks a ton Mesomorph
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11-11-2004, 03:14 PM #17Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by scooby122884
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11-11-2004, 03:18 PM #18Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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11-11-2004, 03:22 PM #19Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Guardian74
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11-11-2004, 03:25 PM #20Associate Member
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I think he means smaller amounts are alot safer
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11-11-2004, 03:27 PM #21Writer
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
In otherwords, 500 mg deca, 500 mg EQ is no different from 1000 mg deca and deca over about 600 mg will definately generate progesterone,.
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11-11-2004, 03:27 PM #22Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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11-11-2004, 03:52 PM #23Banned
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so hooker u dont think he is right about both deca and eq working together like that??
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11-11-2004, 04:02 PM #24Writer
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I don't think. I know.
Neither Deca nor Eq "convert to progesterone" or "generate progesterone."
I'm especially baffled as to why anyone would say that this property could be attributed to Eq.
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11-11-2004, 04:07 PM #25
Deca has its own benifits as well as Equipoise . I keep hearing some say not to run it together but I am right now and it works fine. It keeps you from having to run Deca at higher doses. If I was to run 800mg+ of Deca every week i prolly would have more side efffects than if I split the dose up between Deca 400mgs Equipoise 400mgs. Equipoise is good for appetite and Deca is better than Equipoise with the joints. I think they complament each other.
The reason longer estered drugs take longer to kick in is due to the time released effect the ester has on the hormone. If you took Test prop and Nandrolone prop it would only take a couple weeks compared to those two drugs with longer esters.
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11-11-2004, 04:13 PM #26Writer
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Originally Posted by Anhydro78
Yes.
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11-11-2004, 04:15 PM #27
Personally, I still say run one or the other. I think it's a waste to run both.
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11-11-2004, 04:20 PM #28
But do you know what kind of side effects Deca can cause at high doses?? I love Deca so its in all my cycles, even my cutting cycles, but you not gonna see me running a gram of Deca every week.
So what alternative do you have to run a good amount of a low androgenic substance without combining drugs together like Deca, Equipoise ,Primobolan ???
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11-11-2004, 04:26 PM #29Writer
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Use Letro with your gram (!) of deca . 2.5mgs/day will eliminate 100% of the estrogen in your body. It will also (most likely) eliminate alot of progesterone and will inhibit aromatase (conversion into estrogen). No estrogen, no gyno.
Once again, though, deca will not "generate" or "create" progesterone.
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11-11-2004, 05:11 PM #30Banned
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whats letro? so that does the trick>?
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11-11-2004, 05:28 PM #31Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Guardian74
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11-11-2004, 07:13 PM #32Member
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Whoaa Whoaaa wait a minute GUARDIAN74
I have done tons and tons of reading on this subject(Anabolics) (Not to sound like I am a vet or anything) I mean I have still tons to learn to say the least. I have spent countless hours in our medical library studing many many subjects and tests done on subjects from 1970's to now-a-day. I have found out one thing and that is- that all studies done are inconclusive.- I have not been actively here for very long, but I know how to use the search button(having done this many times) and as I said this is the first time I have came across anything like this. I merely was stateing a question in hopes that someone would point me in the right direction much like Meso and the mod has done. You are right to some extent however- so do me another favor besides speculating that I "have clearly not done his(my) homework" will to please refer me to Hookers profile.
Thank you.
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11-11-2004, 07:15 PM #33Member
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By the Way
most of the post above is pure and utter BS
could you please point me where to read hookers profile
thanks - and hope you didn't take above seriously
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11-11-2004, 11:54 PM #34
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11-12-2004, 06:40 AM #35Banned
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hey
why do u say letro works so well?what does it do?
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11-12-2004, 07:28 AM #36
Bro letro prevents your body from holding water and also raises your igf-1 levels but you should run nolva with it at 10mg to keep your lipid profile in check
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
Deca does not convert to progesterone. It's a progestin, meaning that it binds to the progesterone receptor with a RBA (relative binding affinity) of 60. Proesterone's RBA is 100. SO deca binds to that receptor 60% as well as progesterone. But it doesn't CONVERT to progesterone...it doesn't have to. It binds to that receptor "as is."
As for EQ...ha ha...advice from DaBull....mod on some of the worst boards around...
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