a friend of mine is going to do his first cycle. He is tired of lagging behind lol! Anyway he doesn't want to stack to much so i suggested deca and winny followed by clomid. Though he tend to drink quite a bit, which is why i will make sure he regularly drinks cranberry juice and takes 800mg of milk thistle a day. I also have a doc who can monitor his liver monthly. I know that deca is not that bad on the liver (as opposed to a-bombs or dbol for that matter) but winny, when drank, how many times does it pass through the liver? And how harsh is it alone? NOTE: my friend doesn't drink like a fish, but he has on average a beer a day. And 8 on weekends. Not that much, but enough to put strain on the liver.