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12-08-2004, 11:36 PM #1Associate Member
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First-cycle dosage question (spurred by BASK8KACE's low-dosage thread)
My planned cycle, first ever (besides one cycle of PH last winter) is so far planned like this:
Wks 1-4, 25mg dbol ED
1-10, 500mg test enanth /wk
1-10, 400mg EQ /wk
arimidex , nolva throughout
HCG , nolva, clomid PCT
I only have enough test to run 10wks at this dosage. I can run EQ a little longer.
People keep telling me, "you should run the test for 12wks and eq for 14" or similar things.
Would running a slightly lower dosage (say, 400mg test/wk or even 350) but at a longer duration be beneficial to me? Or should I stick w/ the above plan?
Please remember, this is my first-ever cycle. I'm currently 182lb, ~14%bf.
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12-08-2004, 11:39 PM #2
Stick with the above except go with 30mg Dbol /ED and drop the EQ unless you want to run it with test for 14-16 weeks, 10 isn't long enough for EQ.
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12-08-2004, 11:49 PM #3Member
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I'm not sure that this is exactly a "low-dose" cycle. A low dose cycle is roughly 250-350mg Test a week. If this is your first cycle then I am going to go with everyone else one here and say that you should run a Test-only for your 1st time out. That way, if you have a bad reaction then you will know that it is from the test that you are using and not some other compound in your cycle (like EQ or dbol ). Personally (I advocate low-doses) I would start w/ 250mg Test E per week for 13 weeks and if you wanted to run the EQ at like 150-200mg per week. Most everyone will tell you that you will not see ANYTHING from the EQ at that dose, but it is up to you. Just remember, if you can make good gaines on half the dose then why go high? Good luck.
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12-08-2004, 11:51 PM #4Member
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Plus, if you only have enough for 500mg/wk for 10 weeks then I am assuming you have 2 10ml vials of Test E 250. Correct? You also have to factor in wasted gear in the syringes and overdrawing...so you probably have more like 91/2 weeks at 500mg/wk.
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12-09-2004, 04:41 AM #5Senior Member
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go with this:
1-4 dbols 30 ed
1-12 test 400 wk
1-12 eq 400 wk (if u read around ull find that for eq u can run same test dosage)
run test a wk longer than eq if u can so u can match test and eq with pct start, or stop them together and wait 21 days before pct-
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12-09-2004, 05:22 AM #6Writer
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Originally Posted by bmwrob
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12-09-2004, 02:53 PM #7Originally Posted by 1-Cent
That is a bear of a heavy cycle for your first one.
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12-09-2004, 02:55 PM #8Originally Posted by bmwrob
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12-09-2004, 03:10 PM #9
if your gonna run the EQ run test one week past the EQ. so PCT time will match up.
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12-09-2004, 03:22 PM #10
I would make sure you have some liver and kidney supplements also...
peace
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12-10-2004, 01:07 AM #11Associate Member
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Originally Posted by MotoLifter
Not sure what exactly you mean by matching the PCT. Can you please elaborate?Last edited by blown; 12-10-2004 at 01:38 AM.
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12-10-2004, 01:12 AM #12Associate Member
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Originally Posted by d.b
I'm kinda worried about the dbol dosage - my liver values have a tendancy to get high - I don't want to push my luck right out of the gate.
So you guys really think drop the eq if I'm not running it for at least what - 12wks? 14?
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12-10-2004, 01:17 AM #13
Just wondering bro, aren't you the one that was preaching about using
the Optimal Dose? 4x-5x 800-900mg per week is alot... I have ran as high
as 2,500mg total weekly and that was alot... Just curious if you compete
or are just are a size freak like 80%-90% of us that can't stop? Just tell
it like it is, no need for hard facts on this one...
Originally Posted by hooker
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12-10-2004, 01:40 AM #14Associate Member
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What would be worse on the liver? A longer lower-dosed cycle or a shorter higher-dosed cycle? Assuming that the total test/eq was the same?
Last edited by blown; 12-10-2004 at 08:36 AM.
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12-10-2004, 04:56 PM #15Associate Member
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I have some extra eq. Maybe I'll front-load 600mg/wk for two weeks, then do 10 more weeks at ~350mg/wk. And drop my test enanth dosage to ~350mg/wk for 13wks. I'll still do the 25-30mg dbol for the first 4wks.
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12-12-2004, 02:02 AM #16Associate Member
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12-12-2004, 09:03 AM #17Writer
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Originally Posted by buff87
However, how would I know my optimal dose unless I have done the entire spectrum of doses and compounds? I've done every cycle I could....from 200mgs/primo per week, up to 4,100mgs/week (of just Deca and Test, equal amounts of both, and 1mg/day of 'Dex), which was my highest dose. I've done every dose in-between.
4x-5x 800-900mg per week is alot... I have ran as high
as 2,500mg total weekly and that was alot... Just curious if you compete
or are just are a size freak
(i.e. I don't ever plan on stepping on a stage, I don't own clown pants, string-tank-tops, and have never owned a fag-bag...)
I can't even tell you who Mr.O is, or even when the contest is/was.
Shocking, huh?
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12-12-2004, 09:09 AM #18Originally Posted by blown
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12-12-2004, 09:22 AM #19
I would say do a test only cycle for your first cycle. Good work in the gym, good diet and plenty of sleep, and proper PCT, you should get some good keepable gains. Hold on to the EQ for another cycle when it can be run for at least 12 weeks and 14 would be even beter. And alawys run your test at least one week longer then your EQ.
Good luck <<<V>>>
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12-12-2004, 09:24 AM #20Writer
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Maybe he drinks alot? Or has some kind of infection or condition?
I certainly drink alot...which is why I pretty much stick to injectables.
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12-12-2004, 10:18 AM #21
I know where you're coming from, Hooker. Right now I'm playing around with 20mg/day of M1T and I wasn't even thinking about it... as per my usual routine, I went into town the other morning and walked into my morning hangout and had me a couple of bloody marys. GAAAAAKKKK! It is easy to forget stuff like that. Gotta write msyelf a note or something. NO ALCOHOL! Well I checked this morning and my eyeballs aren't yellow yet so I guess no harm done.
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12-12-2004, 11:30 AM #22Writer
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Originally Posted by The Baron
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12-12-2004, 11:51 AM #23Associate Member
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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
Anyhow, that's why I said that my liver values tend to get high. I'm just expecting the dbol to drive up my liver values since I know mine react like that from experience w/ that other stuff.
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12-12-2004, 11:54 AM #24Associate Member
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Originally Posted by v-force700
Wk1-4: 25-30mg dbol ED
Wk1-13: 350-375mg test enanth /wk
Wk1-2: 600mg eq /wk front-load
Wk3-12: 350-375mg /wk eq
Better? Or too fancy for my first cycle? I do have everything on-hand to do the above.
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12-12-2004, 12:02 PM #25
It could work. Front loading the eq will have similar effect to beginning the eq sooner and therfore using longer. If you could get a bit more test that would be cherry though. Still, "could work" and "optimum" are two different things. Hey it's your gear and your body. Everything is about decisions and compromises. At least you are making an informed decision and you know the consequences.
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12-12-2004, 12:08 PM #26Writer
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Originally Posted by The Baron
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12-12-2004, 12:40 PM #27
Nothing wrong with that at all... I agree with it for the most
part for anyone that's been using for a long period of time...
Optimal dose depends alot of someone's experience and body
chemistry also... Almost everyone reacts differently to most
drugs, so experimenting is the best and only way to know
what will work best for you...
Originally Posted by hooker
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12-12-2004, 12:49 PM #28Writer
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Originally Posted by The Baron
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12-12-2004, 01:01 PM #29Associate Member
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Originally Posted by hooker
And how much more test? The way I set it up it would run for 13wks w/ the eq for 12wks. That's not enough? You guys think it should be 13wks eq and 14wks test?
What would your ideal first cycle look like, if you had dbol , eq, and test enanth on-hand?
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12-12-2004, 01:11 PM #30Writer
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400mgs of Eq per week
400mgs of Test per week
Go for 12 weeks.
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12-12-2004, 03:13 PM #31Associate Member
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Originally Posted by hooker
I should add, I'm looking forward to the appetite increase that most experience w/ eq. I typically have trouble eating enough just b/c I'm not hungry - I frequently have to simply force-feed myself, and that gets old.
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12-12-2004, 03:25 PM #32Writer
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Just go with what you have...and run the dosages straight, like I posted. I think that's your best bet, with the amount of stuff you have. Since you have the Dbol on hand, you can use that too, if you want. Just run it at a steady dose for the first 4 weeks, at whatever dose that works out to based on the amount you have on hand (no more than 50mgs/day though...and no less than 20, is a good guideline).
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12-12-2004, 03:25 PM #33Originally Posted by hooker
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12-12-2004, 09:59 PM #34Associate Member
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Originally Posted by hooker
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12-13-2004, 12:17 AM #35
Broken dbol tabs are fine. In fact, I chew naposims rather than just swallow them whole.
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