I Don't Get It Man!!!

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 08:58 AM

I have been off anabolics for over a year now and I seem to have still yet recovered... My nads have not grew back abit and sex drive is nowhere to be found for it to work... When I was on cycle, I never abused but I never did a pct...
I've got some blood work done and testosterone levels were actually very very good along with estrogen, prolactin, and shbg...

How could my testicles be so small and my blood work being fine?

Why is this happening still after only a 4 week cycle of winni-v?

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 09:05 AM

how old are you now?

**BIG RIG 47** · 12-16-2004, 09:09 AM

maybe you just have small balls because 4 weeks of winny shouldnt effect your balls as i would hardely say that 4 weeks of winny is a cycel. But if you want to call it a cycel call it a stupid one as you should always run test as a base.

**juicehoe** · 12-16-2004, 09:18 AM

Maybe u just thought your balls were bigger then they really are... ok sorry i offer no useful info to this matter. bump for someone that might know

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

Maybe u just thought your balls were bigger then they really are... ok sorry i offer no useful info to this matter. bump for someone that might know

I have been looking at my testicles for years previously and I haven't noticed it that small. one is slightly bigger at times. its not bouncy either. it feels like 2 balls are missing and some areas are just flat.

anybody think i should run some hcg ?

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 09:31 AM

HCG will maken swell up but only temporarily, I agree w/Johan it id in your head. Perhaps your nuts are just smaller than b-4 due to age or any other circumstances. Are you interested in getting elephant balls or somethin? As long as test levels are okay they are working, in this case size really does not matter.

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by 1victor

HCG will maken swell up but only temporarily, I agree w/Johan it id in your head. Perhaps your nuts are just smaller than b-4 due to age or any other circumstances. Are you interested in getting elephant balls or somethin? As long as test levels are okay they are working, in this case size really does not matter.

yeah, I can care less about the ball size but my "tool" doesn't seem to work one bit. it's so strange that even when I masturbate I can't get one up.

so as long as your testosterone is good it should be working? that is something I need to take note of, hmmm...

**juicehoe** · 12-16-2004, 09:45 AM

How do u masturbate if u cant get it up? U mean it doesnt go up all the way

Originally Posted by tony_1985

yeah, I can care less about the ball size but my "tool" doesn't seem to work one bit. it's so strange that even when I masturbate I can't get one up.

so as long as your testosterone is good it should be working? that is something I need to take note of, hmmm...

***Narkissos*** · 12-16-2004, 09:57 AM

Bumping this..out of curiosity

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 10:20 AM

sounds like depression or stress or both, I would assume the masturbation thing is with a semi-hardon which is possible.

**SwoleCat** · 12-16-2004, 10:25 AM

Maybe you had small nuts from the get-go.

~SC~

**c5529** · 12-16-2004, 10:43 AM

We need to know how old you are and if you're on any anti-depressants.....also, you say that your blood work is fine, but have you had a prostate check? Do you know what your PSA is? Depending on your age, an enlarged prostate can certainly cause the symptoms you are explaining.....just a thought. I'd suggest you talk to your physician about this.

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by c5529

We need to know how old you are and if you're on any anti-depressants.....also, you say that your blood work is fine, but have you had a prostate check? Do you know what your PSA is? Depending on your age, an enlarged prostate can certainly cause the symptoms you are explaining.....just a thought. I'd suggest you talk to your physician about this.

sad to say but I am 19 and was 18 when I used it, hehe.

I know probably using it at that age wasn't good but I did it already, so yeah.

I don't think I have any prostate problems.

How I can tell this is not from stress? Well, I don't seem to get those regular erections like I used to. Like whenever you need to take a piss you get those hard boners. I am missing morning erections, accidental boners, and wet dreams as well...

Over this time, it seems to me you need a sex drive to have wet dreams. I usually remember all my wet dreams from the last night but I don't have any that I can remember these days. The libido doesn't seem to be there. This is just my speculation.

**Incharge** · 12-16-2004, 10:58 AM

probably just never realized your nuts were not as big as you thought. do you worry about not getting it up? i had this problem in the past, i was gettting ready to have sex and i couldnt get it up, well the next time i had sex i started thinking way ahead of time that i was not going to be able to perform so of course it didnt get up again, maybe you have performance anxiety and your to worried about your nuts and getting it up just dont think about the problem and you will be fine, maybe get yourself some new porn or something new to look at...

**billy_ba** · 12-16-2004, 11:01 AM

bingo

[QUOTE=tony_1985]sad to say but I am 19 and was 18 when I used it, hehe.

[QUOTE]

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 11:02 AM

This is a mental thing. I say stress/depression. Any major changes in your living situation or relationships? Job stress or change? Pressure at school ? All of these things can add up even at your age. It will pass.

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by 1victor

This is a mental thing. I say stress/depression. Any major changes in your living situation or relationships? Job stress or change? Pressure at school ? All of these things can add up even at your age. It will pass.

it doesn't seem stress would get me to a point where I would explode...

If I would to avg. my stress level to a 10, it would be a 4... So, not really stressed...

I guess I can give it some time to heal. I'll probably run a pct to see if it'll help.

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 11:15 AM

can't hurt to run some hcg then pct after it.

**Mesomorphyl** · 12-16-2004, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by 1victor

can't hurt to run some hcg then pct after it.

Run a test e or cyp cycle @250mg per week for 8 weeks and weeks 8-9 use the hcg with nolva 20mg and on week 10 continue nolva and add clomid 100mg for 14 days then taper to 50mg (10mg for nolva) for another week.

Add tongkat ali starting week 8 until it is all finished. It is a nice add on...

**Pale Horse** · 12-16-2004, 12:10 PM

Meso I was think he could run a pct cycle w/out a test cycle to try to get his nattly level up. You think this is a bad idea? Just curious, seems like he is worried AS has shut him down. If his levels are in the normal range. A clomid cycle shouldn't hurt him? Your opinion?

**ace ventura** · 12-16-2004, 01:04 PM

I've had some of these "symptoms" too. And they can last for several weeks.. Sometimes I can't figure out what's wrong. In my case I think it has often been a combination of stress, don't getting enough sleep - working in shifts is not good for the body (and the hormone balance?) - slight depression etc. I've never experienced not getting it with my girl though.

-Oh, and I've never done any AAS cycle!

**HeavyHitter** · 12-16-2004, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by johan

if your test leves are good but you have no sex drive then it sounds more like a mental then physical problem to me

are you on any anti depressant?? Or any other kind of medication?

not a flame, but maybe your gay!!

ok it was, sorry!! LOL

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Run a test e or cyp cycle @250mg per week for 8 weeks and weeks 8-9 use the hcg with nolva 20mg and on week 10 continue nolva and add clomid 100mg for 14 days then taper to 50mg (10mg for nolva) for another week.

Add tongkat ali starting week 8 until it is all finished. It is a nice add on...

Will I make some gains from a test-only cycle alone?

I'll try and see, it couldn't hurt...

**HeavyHitter** · 12-16-2004, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by tony_1985

Will I make some gains from a test-only cycle alone?

I'll try and see, it couldn't hurt...

yes... and i also think thats your best bet!! It will help your test levels as well as mentality!!-- which is probly most important

do your research.... cycle,pct...

**Mesomorphyl** · 12-16-2004, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by 1victor

Meso I was think he could run a pct cycle w/out a test cycle to try to get his nattly level up. You think this is a bad idea? Just curious, seems like he is worried AS has shut him down. If his levels are in the normal range. A clomid cycle shouldn't hurt him? Your opinion?

1Vic, a clomid only would not hurt him, hcg in a small dose with nolva may even be a good idea(with the clomid after), but this might be mental and if his test is raised that will give him the wood; hensforth the confedence to pound away at tail. So I do not think your idea is bad, just maybe he can kill two birds with one stone or cycle whatever.

**Mesomorphyl** · 12-16-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by tony_1985

Will I make some gains from a test-only cycle alone?

I'll try and see, it couldn't hurt...

Adding more than the response to the post abouve here to 1victor - tony'85' yes you will make gains 8 weeks may be a bit short but this is your first test run and it is to help your system (or i would suggest 10-12 weeks). Make sure to have nolva, hcg , and the clomid for post cycle along with tongkat, after your short cycle: A. you will be horny B. nuts with tongkat and hcg use will plump up C. a proper pct will help you recover faster and correctly. If you have wood issues use some cialis or get some research stuff.

**juicehoe** · 12-16-2004, 03:49 PM

Ahh geeze the 1985 in your user name didnt give that away. All u AR members are like Colombo (the detective)

Originally Posted by tony_1985

sad to say but I am 19 and was 18 when I used it, hehe.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-16-2004, 04:03 PM

I used early too. Small nuts...low sex drive....Now i just deal with it.

**tony_1985** · 12-16-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

I used early too. Small nuts...low sex drive....Now i just deal with it.

is it to a point where an erection is not attainable though?

**tony_1985** · 12-17-2004, 12:00 AM

ok, let's say if it is in the head... What is the most I can do? Just not worry about it?

I doubt that I am stressed but I like to rule it out and I hate seeing those sex-talk doctors; its so gay.....

**MER** · 12-17-2004, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by tony_1985

I have been off anabolics for over a year now and I seem to have still yet recovered... My nads have not grew back abit and sex drive is nowhere to be found for it to work... When I was on cycle, I never abused but I never did a pct...
I've got some blood work done and testosterone levels were actually very very good along with estrogen, prolactin, and shbg...

How could my testicles be so small and my blood work being fine?

Why is this happening still after only a 4 week cycle of winni-v?

As funny as it sounds bro, did you do PCT? I've heard of people skipping PCT and having a hard time getting back to normal.

**tony_1985** · 12-17-2004, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

How do u masturbate if u cant get it up? U mean it doesnt go up all the way

yeah, I can't get a erection even when I masturbate... the only supplements I can get a erection out of is when I use yohimbe and some viagra 1 hr before I really need to get it up... shouldn't be happening at this age...

In the old days, I can just touch it and it easily erects...

**ace ventura** · 12-26-2004, 08:20 AM

This is may be a stupid post but..

Just want to add he forgot to mention that he put Deca in this cycle as well. (For those who search on winny it's good to know that winny probably didn't caused this problem).

progesterone 2 hy!