Thread: cardio on juice
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03-21-2002, 02:32 PM #1
cardio on juice
I m on a deca cycle and what to bulk up but I want to shed a little fat for the summer. I read that losing fat quick and keeping muscle is easy on a cycle due to the blockage of cortisol receptors.
so if this is true I can run on the treadmill every day and not have to worry about losing muscle right?
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03-21-2002, 02:55 PM #2
It's true for the most part, but you probably won't be able to bulk up...I'm a full contact fighter and on a cycle right now...With all the training I do on the map, it makes it hard to gain weight but I'm keeping all of my strengh and really leaning out...
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03-21-2002, 02:55 PM #3
it's a bid more complicated than that, but i'll spare you the details. in general, you won't be losing muscle, but you won't gain as much as if you didn't do cardio.
choose to bulk or cut.
also, cardio while on juice is physically much harder due to the water retention. you'll find it much more difficult to catch your breath after a long flight of stairs. strong anti estrogens or non-aromatizing steroids will alleviate this problem.
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03-21-2002, 03:11 PM #4
you're right, some cardio is always needed even during heavy bulking cycles.
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03-21-2002, 03:27 PM #5
Always do some cardio. Keeps the heart healthy which is important especially when cycling.
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03-21-2002, 03:42 PM #6
so would 30 mins of cardio after each training ses be ok or to much?
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03-21-2002, 04:29 PM #7
For bulking that's doing too much IMO. Shoot for 2 times a week at about 30min each time. I do cardio on my off days generally.
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03-21-2002, 05:44 PM #8New Member
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You're chasing your own tail by trying to bulk and cut at the same time. Fat loss is dependant on using more calories than you consume in a day. Muslce hypertrophy(in the form of mass gain or weight gain) is dependaent on consuming more calories than you use in a day. Either bulk or cut. If you want to add muscle mass then you have to provide your body with a surplus of calories...This doesn't mean you will gain fat provided your diet is spot on. To loose fat you will need to create a caloric deficit...this should preferably be done thorugh diet alone while avoiding cardio. "Cardio" creates a very catabolic environment for muscle tissue and is a contradictory training style to weight training. AS's use while cutting are to prevent muscle atrophy. They do this by blocking many catabolic pathways, but if you're in a hypocaloric state(which you need to be to loose weight) then you won't be able to gain muslce mass. The gear is there simply to preserve muscle, not gain it.
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03-21-2002, 08:54 PM #9
You can gain muscle while in a caloric deficit.
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03-22-2002, 08:05 AM #10New Member
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Originally posted by Nathan
You can gain muscle while in a caloric deficit.Last edited by TheMan; 03-22-2002 at 08:08 AM.
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03-22-2002, 08:22 AM #11
Perhaps a dumb question. but If you do alot of cardio while on a cycle is there any danger to your heart like perhaps enlarging it.
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03-22-2002, 10:26 AM #12New Member
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There isn't a whole lot of study on this, but all indications are probably not. Heavy weight training has been indicated to cause left ventrical hypertrophy in both natural and AS using atheltes. This is due to a tremendous rise in blood pressure during straining excercises like heavy lifting. IF it's true "cardio" that you're doing you shouldn't be straining as there is an ample supply of oxygen and very mild muscle tension. Blood pressure in circumstances like this more likeley will decrease due to vasodialation. But again, it's not an everyday occurance for scientists to put guys on 1000mg of testosterone on a treadmill for 60 minitutes a day for several continuous months to evaluuate thier condition. Cardiac muscle is smooth muscle which has a low ability to hypertrohy at least compared to striated, or skeletal muscles.
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03-22-2002, 11:05 AM #13
i usually do light cardio 2-3x/wk while bulking to keep the heart in check.
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03-22-2002, 11:08 AM #14Associate Member
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theman atleast sounds like hes making a lot of sense! I dont know what he just said, but i believe it!
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03-22-2002, 11:28 AM #15
the man is right about the calorie deficit thing. i'd word it differently, but it gets the point across nicely.
the heart will hypertrophy when it is put to work, both in weight training and aerobic training.
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