Leaner on Tren Enth or Acetate?

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 09:46 AM

Did you notice any difference at all?

On which do you feel you were leaner? If at all?

Also, what else were you running alonside it? Doses, cycle length, stats etc...

Just curious on some feedback...

Thanks everyone....

**ChefJ** · 01-23-2005, 01:53 PM

I like tren a personally I felt leaner and it also kicks in so much fasrer. I generally run it as a jumpstart to a longer eq cycle with test e or if trying to shed test prop. I don't enjoy shooting 2ml ed and 3ml e3d so It is usually test e.

**Sigmund Froid** · 01-23-2005, 02:15 PM

Superstition with no scientific basis. The steroid isn't even active until it is seperated from its time release ester anyway. There is no difference except onset and duration. Aromatization will be the same in any case. This is one of those myths I hate hearing perpetuated in the gym...because if you try to refute it scientifically, people are either too stupid or uninformed to understand and then you end up looking crazy.

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 02:22 PM

Great....

I'm just wanting to hear some feedback, as I've read and heard mixed statements re: this...

Thanks.

**ChefJ** · 01-23-2005, 02:36 PM

It is safer for first time tren users to use tren a simply because it is in and out of the system that much faster.

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 02:42 PM

I'm aware of that....

But, lol I plan on running Tren Enth because of less frequent injections for my first run of it though.....

I just wanted some feedback in 'general'..... thanks to all...

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 01-23-2005, 03:22 PM

use test and tren e.... then end with prop to make PCT easy as pie

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

use test and tren e.... then end with prop to make PCT easy as pie

I had planned on Test E & Tren E.... I will make a thread as I get closer

That is certainly an idea though....(the prop at the end)...

Thanks my brutha

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 01-23-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Blown_SC

I had planned on Test E & Tren E.... I will make a thread as I get closer

That is certainly an idea though....(the prop at the end)...

Thanks my brutha

Sure if you dont end with prop Im going to kick you in the nuts!

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

Sure if you dont end with prop Im going to kick you in the nuts!

Dammit...

**odrorir** · 01-23-2005, 03:49 PM

Tren Ace may be a better choice for your first run of Tren...
Easier to get out of your system if the sides get bad!!

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 03:50 PM

OK bros, I'm not asking for advice.....

I'm asking for repsonse to the thread's initial question.... thanks!

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 01-23-2005, 03:53 PM

FWIW I hear they are the same....

**Blown_SC** · 01-23-2005, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

FWIW I hear they are the same....

I've read both sides of it...... but this is what I've been looking for... thanks again whore

**Property of Steroid.com** · 01-24-2005, 06:35 AM

Blown:

I know that you're new to injects...and I'm going to go against the grain here (as usual). I like to reccomend that new(er) AAS users cycle stuff with short esters.

Why?

So they get better at the injects!

Honestly, shooting yourself is a learned skill, and I'd rather have it all sorted out by the end of my first cycle, than go on dreading any future cycle which needs E/D injects.

I also feel that the Acetate ester is far superior than Enanthenate. No comparison. If you oread the studies on Nandrolone by Minto, et al. you'll also note that the mere mgs of difference that the ester accounts for, in no way relates to blood levels of the compound. Shorter esters produce a way(!) higher peak plasma level of the hormone in question.

**Blown_SC** · 01-24-2005, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Blown:

I know that you're new to injects...and I'm going to go against the grain here (as usual). I like to reccomend that new(er) AAS users cycle stuff with short esters.

Why?

So they get better at the injects!

Honestly, shooting yourself is a learned skill, and I'd rather have it all sorted out by the end of my first cycle, than go on dreading any future cycle which needs E/D injects.

I also feel that the Acetate ester is far superior than Enanthenate. No comparison. If you oread the studies on Nandrolone by Minto, et al. you'll also note that the mere mgs of difference that the ester accounts for, in no way relates to blood levels of the compound. Shorter esters produce a way(!) higher peak plasma level of the hormone in question.

Fair enough, and I understand your argument...

I plan on shooting b12 to practice a bit.... but I'd be interested in reading a study or 2 on why acetate is better if you can link me up... oh yeah, I replied to the guy on MuscleNexus for ya....

Thanks bro.

**GymDog** · 01-24-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

I also feel that the Acetate ester is far superior than Enanthenate. No comparison. If you oread the studies on Nandrolone by Minto, et al. you'll also note that the mere mgs of difference that the ester accounts for, in no way relates to blood levels of the compound. Shorter esters produce a way(!) higher peak plasma level of the hormone in question.

From most of the articles and posts I've read, I think most disagree with you here. Every article I've read points to longer esters being the better bulking choice because higher peak levels can be acheived. It's pharmacokinetics. After injection, your levels spike quickly, then decrease. The longer the half-life, the slower your levels decrease. If you were to inject Enanthate ED, you'd notice that daily administration of the hormone results in hormone spikes overlap and ultimately increases the overall blood plasma levels. I could be completely off on my research, but this it what I've read time & time again...