hey what do you think Mgs for a 16 week eq only sight... The up and the down? Gracias
hey what do you think Mgs for a 16 week eq only sight... The up and the down? Gracias
we need stats and cyclke history,but for me 1 g of enth and 800 mgs of eq ew workedOriginally Posted by rager
I'd run test only for a first cycle...400-600mgs. If you want to run eq as well, I'd do 400mgs of each.
Ok so your saying run a test only cycle as opposed to running a Eq only cycle?Originally Posted by hooker
thats your choice, a lot of people will tell to runa test only first cycle, if i could do it all over again, i would do enth and eq, people will say see how u react to one compound first, i liked how i reacted off two compounds better, so do a lot of people, its all personal choice, eq has little sides, so i dont see any harm in running it for a first, and it would only make your cycle better, and you will like your results betterOriginally Posted by rager
i dont know about eq only, but i am doing 400mg/wk with test for 12 weeks
you might want to at least take a low dose of test with it, or at least something to keep your libido up... i am taking proviron with my cycle
Great first cycle. You'll really like it.
Try 400mg/wk using 2x200mg taking for example on wed night and sun morning.
imo, you need moreOriginally Posted by spooledup
more is not always better plus its a first cycle, but i would run at least some test in there say 250mgs/wk more if u want...Originally Posted by dirtdawg
a 16 weeks cycle of test 250 mgs ew and eq 400 mgs is almost a waste of gear, those are extremely low doses, even for a first cycleOriginally Posted by justin2305
How much Proviron are you taking? are you EQ only? thanksOriginally Posted by zuke
I like to keep the test 100mg (minimum) higher than the eq - I am a believer in doing test only as a first cycle. After you see how your body reacts add in a second compound. This helps you identify where sides are coming from as well as benfits.
400-500mg teste for 10 weeks is a good first cycle, need all anciliaries on hand before starting.
My next is 750 test 500eq. The key for safety is moderation in duration, doses, and time on per year, as well as having the right stuff on hand to combat sides.
I even keep a antibiotic on hand in case of infection, which I have never had.
Last edited by scottp999; 02-15-2005 at 03:04 PM.
rager - since this back and forth is probably confusing you more than helping. I suggest you pm a mod like iron4life for his critique and suggestions. (not picking sides in this debate)
At 20 years old, almost 21. I would suggest waiting a couple of more years. My first cycle was when I was 32. just my 2 cents.
I spent 18 months here researching before I started my first cycle. I am glad I did!
Oh and spend alot of time reading the educational forum and posts like this:
http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=70741
Last edited by scottp999; 02-15-2005 at 03:35 PM.
right now i am going with 500mg/wk test, 400mg/wk eq, and 50mg/day proviron for 12 weeks. i am jumpstarting with 30mg/day dbol for the first 3 weeks and running the test one week longer than the eq. i am only a few days into the cycle so i can't tell you if it's working well or not.
Nice info here dudes. Still a bit perplexed? So I guess the question is this. 1-15 of test e, prop? 1-15 eq only? which would have the least sides? thanks
Originally Posted by rager
Personally, I would opt for the Prop. I know that the frequent injects may present a problem for most with Prop, but if the sides become too much, discontinuing the Prop will be much easier to deal with than Test E. I would go with the Prop and the EQ together.
if you are hellbent on eq only for that long, i would suggest at least 50mg/day proviron to keep your libido up.
Originally Posted by zuke
EQ is not going to diminish the libido to any real extent if any at all. Deca on the other would cause that problem.
well, it shut me down when i took it alone... just going off of what i felt...Originally Posted by scorp
You know its funny because everyone has always said Deca will shut you down if not taken with any sort of test? I have taken Deca twice for 8 and ten weeks purely byitself. It actually increased my Libido to the point My Gal was actually wondering if I was on some type of speed or sexual stimulant? Intersting to say the least ha? thanks broOriginally Posted by zuke
I would not recommend a prop cycle for your first or 15 weeks. You need to shorten so you can gauge how well you recover before going that long. 15 weeks of prop is 105 injections. You are going to have to become very comfortable with injection site rotations. 10 weeks of test e would be 20 injections. Read my post above. Please consider a few more months of research or putting it off for a couple of years. I was still growing (height) until I was 22 years old.
Rager,Originally Posted by rager
You shoud take time to look through some of the cycles that have been created on the home page of this board:
http://steroid.com/novicecycle1.php
After you pick out a cycle and tweak it a bit, post it and ask for a critique. Make sure you post your stats along with the cycle. That way, you'll get a better, more direct answer to your question.
I will do that .. thank you...Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
Thanks.. I better check my stats here because Im olot older than 21 lol
I was pretty sure it said April 1984 before.Originally Posted by rager
Yeah...I'd do just test, if it were my first cycle.
i did test-e only and got some good results, but in retrospect i probably should have been taking nolva during.
Rager,
You've asked a really broad question, so you're going to get a wide range of replies that might have you pulled in many different directions by the time this thread dies.
You need to look into the following things:
1. Do you want to do a tesosterone only cycle or a stack?
Starting with test only is one of the best ways to start. It's not too heavy and it give you a chance to see how your body responds. Many people do well on Test only, Test-deca or Test-EQ cycles, as a first cycle, but it's best to keep it as simple as possible.
2. Check into the ideas behind low dose cycling, also consider moderate doses. There's really no reason for a beginner to do much more than 400mg of testosterone to start out.
3. Although the best thing to do is to not use steroids until you get your diet in order, the truth is many people start cycling without getting the basics down. If you're still fumbling with your diet, or you haven't gotten that in order, then that's the first place you should start because no amount of gear will give you good results on a poor diet.
4. Seriously take time to look at the link I posted. Pick out a cycle and post it for critique after you learn more about each compound. It's eaiser to make a decision after you've thought through a few things on your own. There are a lot of different approaches to cycling--and everyone is going to push their own viewpoints. The best thing to do is to read and start forming your own opinions.
5. Again, the best place to start is to choose from the novice cycles on the home page of this board.
If you run into difficulty, you can PM me, or post your question on the board and then PM me a link.
Best of luck to you.
So I guess In terms of sides everyone reacts differently? I was under the assumption that EQ was the safest and had the least side effects as say Winny etc? If I stack some Test e or Prop with the Eq I guess the sides wouldnt be that bad than?
prop is ed injects and u dont probably dont want that right now, winny is a 17aa which is extremly hard on your liver, the cycle i wrote out for you is pretty safe, and you can even lower the doses if you wantOriginally Posted by rager
Yes, everyone reacts differently to steroids. The only way to know how you will react is to use them and find out.Originally Posted by rager
You're walking down the same path I did when I started considering AS. EQ became my focus since it seemed to be the mildest steroid. I considered using EQ only to start out. You can do it--I believe I found just a handfull of others who did EQ-only, but they were not overwhelmed by their results. They knew they weren't going to get a lot of muscle out of EQ-only, so they weren't disappointed--just not overwhelmed either.
Yes, EQ is one of the mildest steroids, but it also can cause problems: high blood pressure, anxiety and baldness (but not too many people have reported baldness to my knowledge on EQ alone).
You have to decide what you want to accomplish and then YOU need to do the work and research. Many of the questions you're asking have been answered a thousand times. If you don't take the time to read through info available for you before you ask questions, then you're going to get tossed in many directions as you try to make your way through the plethora opinions (very strong ones) of the members.
If you're looking to change your body dramatically (reasonably), then consider using testosterone--after you learn about the dangers and the benefits of it.
If you're fine with taking frequent injections, then use prop (but I don't recommend it--it's just too much hassle for someone just starting). Prop does give you the advantage of being able to stop using it and have it leave your system quickly if problems arise, but you have to weigh that against the inconvenience of the frequent injections.
What I've written here is just the tip of the iceburg. I know I'm being repetitive, but I'm tyring to impress on you how important it is to BEGIN to form your own opinions about what you want to use and why, before you subject yourself to everyones opinions. Use the forums as a way to research and post questions to help you check or clarify your own findings.
You know you can always contact me if you get stuck.
thanks for all the input.
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