ANti E's and first cycle

**leanmachine** · 03-28-2002, 02:16 PM

All the people using steroids that i know do not use anti estrogen. I read about it all the time on the web and tell them , but they insist they dont need it, and reply, nodody actually uses that stuff. Is it that important, I dont want "bitch tits".

Also i'm 5'8 165, and debating whether to use. I'm thinking of:
1.sustanon
2.d-bol
3.cypionate
4.masteron
Please give advice, and if i should stack, i want to put on mass, my metabolism is very fast. How important is gonadtropin?
I only plan to use 1 cylcle, just for a foundation of mass but dont want to lose it either.

**D00fy** · 03-28-2002, 02:20 PM

just wondering i cant help u with your cycle since i dont have experience cause i havent injected yet but what is your age???? and how long have u been training for?

btw dont lie and say your like 23.......or something be honest

**leanmachine** · 03-28-2002, 02:23 PM

I'm 23.

**Dr.Evil** · 03-28-2002, 02:25 PM

a lot of people can get away without it on moderate doses, but i wouldn't want to be the guy that took that chance and end up looking like a bitch...

**quasar** · 03-28-2002, 02:26 PM

HAHA, thats funny (about the age thing)

**D00fy** · 03-28-2002, 02:27 PM

he lied 23:P :P u know he is a youngin just like me and u quasar,he looking to get big

**PADDLER** · 03-28-2002, 02:29 PM

how old are you doofy?

**D00fy** · 03-28-2002, 02:38 PM

18 1/2 and i admit it

**PADDLER** · 03-28-2002, 02:40 PM

alright

**leanmachine** · 03-28-2002, 08:25 PM

born 10/21/78 that makes me 23 doofy, with a 2 and a half yr old daughter, and mortgage, believe me now.

**juice** · 03-29-2002, 09:13 PM

bro let me tell you its better to be safe than sorry, i sarted to juice about 7 years ago and didnt take the time to read info on gyno. i had buddys that would pump 2 grams of test in them everyweek and never revieved gyno. on my first cycle i did dbol and sust. and i got it. i still have a little and its been years. i dont want to pay 3000 dollors to have them taken out either but some day i know i will because of the competitive level im at in bdybuilding. get some nolvadex its not that bad on price and shove it aside just to be safe.

**Ajax** · 03-29-2002, 10:25 PM

Like juice and Dr. Evil said. It might not happen--but then again it might. Buy enough Nolvadex for a cycle and keep it around. Think of it as your insurance policy gainst getting gyno/bitch tits.

(It's a hell of a lot cheeper than Gyno surgery!)

**dboone** · 03-30-2002, 01:53 AM

My first cycle started with pretty high d-bol (40-50mg/ed) for 6 weeks. By week 3, my nips were sore as shit. Started to freak & started the anti-es for the rest of the cycle (or just the d-bol part of it). The sensitivity went away and never came back. I use alot of test, winny and EQ these days and have never had a problem, no anti-e's ever. Apart from proviron . (love the shit!). Point being, have your anti-e's ready & on hand!
I think generally speaking, your endomorphic types have the highest risk of gyno. Just a thought....
As for the HGC, that is really dependent on how long of a cycle ya' wanna be on....... If 10 weeks or shorter, you will most likely be fine with just some clomid post-cycle. If you are like some people, who like longer cycles,well get some HGC for the boys and go for it.
(dboone does not recommend extended cycles....but they are alot of fun!).

**dboone** · 03-30-2002, 02:01 AM

Oh yeah,
I forgot Leanmachine, why sust and cyp? IMO if ya' haven't bought it yet, forget the sust and go with the cyp. Done lots of both and I think you will be happier with it. Did sust only for a long time, kept reading all this stuff on how it "yo-yo"ed your test blood levels. I got results from it, cool. Well I later switched to cyp, and there is a difference!
Anyway it is all test, so why inject to different kinds? Sust gives a sort of non-consistent release into the body, where your cyp and enanthate is steady.