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    6 pills clomid day one?

    Im just curious where this clomid "cycle" came from

    day 1 = 300mgs
    next ten days = 100mgs day
    next ten days = 50 mgs day

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    I have heard a few guy mentioning this, I don't personally believe it, but Clomid is cheap. However, I personally only take 100mg per day for the first week and 50mg a day for the second week. Clomid has a very long half life, so therefore, i think it is kinda redundant to take 300mg the first day. I think it is a waste. If you are gonna do that, why not save some of the clomid and do an extra week of it like 3 weeks instead of two, I have heard of guys doing this as well. Hell doesn't hurt.

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    thats how i would run it, but im not sure who actually came up with that..so bump!

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    Daum D2m we posted at the same time.. He he

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    what about alcohol while on clomid therapy? should you drink?

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    i don't believe 300mg/day at first would be necessary or beneficial.

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    Wooho I feel good now the "Dr" agrees with me..
    What is the point of 300mg the first day?
    Alcohol I don't see any reason why you couldn't. To my knowlege Clomid is not toxic on the liver, but how much alcohol are we talkin about here?

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    i was planning on going to cancun on vacation right after my test/eq/winny cycle ends. and doing clomid therapy while im on vacation. could i do this. i wont be working out as hard as i did during my cycle for those 7 or 8 days. is it important to work out just as hard during clomid? thanks

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    Rocker,

    Enjoy your vacation bro!!! Mentally and physically. Train, diet, sleep to max efficiency thresholds leading up to your vacation.

    7-8 days in the long run is a mere grain of salt or flicker in your training goals/protocol.

    P-X

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    the 300mg/day is supposed to saturate the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, but 100mg is clearly enough to do that...

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    scillian30, I heard clomid is liver toxic. of course that doesnt make it true, but I heard that on here.

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    Bump for a good question. This is what I have my friend doing for his clomid therapy. It seemed like everyone did it like this.

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    it certainly wouldn't hurt and clomid is cheap with low toxicity.

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    like the doc said it is to saturate the estrogen receptors .
    ive done it few ways 100,50,100--50 100-50---300,100,50.
    it all seemed to work well.its cheap enough so why not experiment and see what works the best for you.

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    Do a search on clomid on this board and you will see that this is the standard operating proceedure on this board. Seems a bit high to me as well. The normal dose is 50 mg per day for 21 days depending on what you read. The 21 day limit really applies to women using clomid so that it doesn't interfere with there menstural cycle. I've also read that you can take it 25 on 5 off; and I've also read that males can take it year round but should limit it to 2/3 of the year.

    My doc says to do 25-50mg ed for 3 weeks.

    What do you think Evil, obviously you have more expertise than most of us.

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    "The two week idea comes from the fact that medically its main use is to help women with fertility problems. Because of the menstrual cycle, there are only certain times of the month when there is any chance of ovulation. It is pointless, then, for these women to take the drug for more than two weeks at a time. Some have misconstrued this to apply to males"


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    This is the other thing that I question and why I'm going to play it safe and use HCG like the HRT experts recommend.

    While it has been claimed that Clomid "stimulates" production of LH and therefore of testosterone , in fact Clomidís activity is achieved not by stimulation of the hypothalamus and pituitary, but by blocking their inhibition by estrogen.

    HCG is provided as a glycoprotein powder to be diluted with water, and acts in the body like LH, stimulating the testes to produce testosterone even when natural LH is not present or is deficient. It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day.

    I guess all this good research I've been doing is a result of Big Cat's claims, so I thank him for making me think. But again, it all depends on what you read and what you want to believe. My HRT specialist believes that HCG is for restoring HPTA and clomid is a light anti-e and nolvadex should be used instead. He also says that clomid is effective for increasing ejaculatory volume and nolva isn't. So, at least I know that there ARE differences between the two (Nolva and Clomid) and that clomid DOES NOT do anything to stimulate or restore HPTA, rather it binds estrogen and prevents inhibition of HTPA. So my next conclusion is that to restore HPTA you need to bind estrogen and stimulate LH; so I'm going to stiulate LH with HCG and bind estrogen with clomid; the clomid will also increase ejaculation. That leaves the use of nolvadex, because it is stronger than clomid as an anti-e, it's place is during a cycle to prevent estrogen related sides such as gyno, water tetention and acne. Further, with testosterone levels so high during a cycle, your body will not respond to any of the drugs including HCG during a cycle. The statement regarding the use of HCG during a cycle to increase testicle size in the beginning of this post is debatable and my HRT specailist does not agree with it.
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