36 yr old zeroing in on 1st cycle

[goatscrot]

Gents,
Have posted before ...and since then have been doing a lot of reading on this board and others.
Present stats- 36 yrs old, 5 ' 11, 175 lbs, body fat around 11%, been working out since 94, quite hardcore for 2 yrs, done prohormones (with some results) and am a creatine junkie... and am at my genetic potential....and yes I eat eat eat...
Again goals are- 15 to 20 lb weight gain (I am not looking to get HUGE).....looking for quality not quantity....and would like to minimize sides....money is not a question
Thoughts on the following cycles please-

a) 300mgs Primo or EQ for 8 weeks
b) 250mgs Test E (or perhaps Testiviron Depot) and 200mgs Deca , Primo, or EQ for 8 weeks with Armidex .25mgs eod
c) 300mgs Primo or EQ weeks 1-8 and Winny 50mgs eod weeks 7-10
c) 300mgs Primo or EQweeks 1-8 and Anavar 30mgs ed weks 7-10

Note- can only get 50 mg/ml EQ where I live but can get Schering Primo

All followed by the appropriate Clomid therapy

Main Question is- Which cycle???
In your opinion do I need to do Test???? At my age really want to keep the pecker functioning well....especially since I reside in Thailand.......
Looking to get started in teh next couple of weeks.....
Thanks in advance,
Goatscrot

[Iron horse]

money isnt an option?

do some anavar for 6 weeks at 60mgs/day
eq 400mgs/week, for 8 weeks.

*people that have done anavar LOVE IT TO DEATH, though I have never done it.

and it gives smooth and steady quality gains.

JMO

[Iron horse]

btw test would be a good idea, especialy at your age.

[BE_STRONG]

bro,

I am 35. I would go with the EQ 400mg/wk 1-10, TEST 400mg/wk 1-10 and winny 50mg/ed wks 8-12. you will love the gains and the sides are minimal!

[dyno45]

I'm 39 and did my first cycle at 36. I personally did test only (cyp) and got some nice results and goatscrot don't worry about the "pecker" It'll be hard to keep it down. Out of the choices, I believe that Be-Strong is correct. Nice gains should come from that and the Eq will increase your appetite. Keep us posted on the results.

[hammerhead]

I'm 35 and am finishing my first cycle. I had the same questions you're asking now only a few weeks ago. From what i've just experienced i'd recommend you stick go with what strong suggested. You'll be very glad you used testosterone if you do! You can stick one vial of test every 5 days for 70 days (10 weeks) - if you do the math that averages out to 350mg/wk. That's enough for a first cycle at your weight. You're about the same age / weight I am and if I could go back and do it over again that's the cycle I would do (plus i'd stack in some d-bol the first 4 weeks at 25mg/day - but only if you use the injectible winstrol and not the pills). Good luck!

[goatscrot]

Gents,
Thanks you for all of the prompt replies. The week after next I will get started..
As far as EQ the only "type" I have access to is Ganabol. 400mg would be 8ml a week...a lot of fluid!!
GS

[REM]

Originally posted by Iron horse
btw test would be a good idea, especialy at your age.

i'm interested What's the reason u r saying this?

[dyno45]

REM - I believe the reason for this is at that age the natural testosterone production is not as it was when you are 20 or so. The addition of the test gives a good mix to the cycle that was mentioned.

[REM]

yeah it makes sence thanks bro...

[dyno45]

Your welcome. Just my experience as I am in the 30's age bracket and it was advised to me to have some test in all cycles I do.

[REM]

basically i used test in prior cycles,
currently i'm doing straight t200500mg weekly..

[latman49]

Originally posted by hammerhead
plus i'd stack in some d-bol the first 4 weeks at 25mg/day - but only if you use the injectible winstrol and not the pills

Both winny tabs and winny depot are 17aa. It would be the same using dbol with either.