cutting cycle advice needed...

Hi

I was thinking about doing the cutting cycle below -

Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

I would like to do the usual, burn fat, increase hardness,vascularity and strength while AT LEAST maintaining the muscle - pref increasing it. Im not very experienced and when I do this cycle, which I'll start in about 10-12weeks, it will be my second overall cycle and my first cutting cycle.

Is there anything that would be a good addition to it ?? Or any adjustments in order to get the best of what I want ??
I was thinking about maybe including EQ in there somewhere but not sure how ??

Also, could I replace test prop for test enanthate and inject twice weekly ?? Is this still as good for a cutting cycle ? Maybe front loading with test prop then changing to enanthate then finishing on prop ?? or pref just use the enanthate which would be ideal for me ??

Thanks a lot

Darren

I wouldn't add Eq because it makes cutting very difficult for most ppl because of how hungry you get. I'd use more prop though...75mgs ed or 150mgs eod.
It all comes down to your diet/cardio. Keep a strict diet with this cycle and you'll be fine.
The thing you could add is tren. That would make a nice addition to this cycle. Weeks 1-8 @75mgs ed.

Clen & or T3 are always a nice addition to any cutting cycle but if you don't have experience with either then I suggest reading up on them before u throw them in.

def add more prop, right now its only 175mg a week, atleast do 100 EOD.

bump prop to 75mg/ED (i hope u like ED injections!!)

OK thanks so far.

So maybe like this -

Anavar 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 150mg EOD Weeks 1-8

PCT -
Day1 300mg Clomid + 10mg Nolvadex
Day 2-11 100mg Clomid + 10mg Nolvadex
Day12-21 50mg Clomid + 10mg Nolvadex
Day 1-30 Tribulus Bulgarian and ZMASS PM

Im not going into Tren because it seems too complicated that gear and this is my first cutting cycle and dont really want to go more than EOD shots.

I do have plenty of clen but I was going to use it in my PCT after I finish this bulking cycle. Its about the only thing Im confused on - the best time to use the Clen -

a)after bulking in PCT
b)During Cutting cycle
c)After cutting cycle during PCT ?????

T3 is a bit too advanced and too me risky from what I know so I dont want to play with that one!!

Thanks

Darren

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I also have test enth so would prefer to use that in replace of the test prop if people think that would be a good idea ??? Maybe use prop to start and finish the cycle with ??

Not too sure about this but any info is welcome - thanks

yeah I would use enan instead of prop something like this:

wk 1-4 Prop 100mg EOD
wk 1-12 Test Enan 500mg
wk 7-14 Var 50mg ED
wk 13-14 Prop 100mg EOD

you can kickstart with prop or end with it, or both.

Hmmmm.....

Not so sure about that one. Its just, this is only my second cycle and for weeks 1-4 I will be shooting a total of 850mg of test per week - is this OK ???

Also, I really like the apparant effects of the Var so I would like to use that for the full cycle - but that was assuming I did an 8 week cycle.

What if I did this, going from what you have said -

wk 1-4 Prop 100mg EOD
wk 1-8 Var
wk 1-8 Test Enan 500mg bi-wkly (Front-loaded the first week to help kick start)
wk 9-10 Prop 100mg EOD

I was hoping, due to the short cycle of enanthate, that if I front load it, I will see more benefits on this short period of usage ??? Is this right ?

Also, the cycle I was thinking about below, would prob be the best, convenience wise, so if I did this one, how would the results differ from the one above ? -

wk 1-8 Test Enan 500mg bi-wkly (Front loaded again)
wk 1-8 Var 50mg ED
***Maybe - wk 9-10 Prop 100mg EOD***

I think I would prefer the shorter cycle and also like the convenience of it so unless there is a major difference in final results between the two, I will go with the last one - if you think it looks OK ??

Thanks again, really appreciate it.

Darren

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anymore info please ?

wk 1-4 Prop 100mg EOD
wk 1-10 Test Enan 500mg
wk 1-10 Var 50mg ED
wk 11-12 Prop 100mg EOD

Does the above look good ??

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Originally Posted by dazbo

wk 1-4 Prop 100mg EOD
wk 1-10 Test Enan 500mg
wk 1-10 Var 50mg ED
wk 11-12 Prop 100mg EOD

Does the above look good ??

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Add .5mg letrozole. I would also add 50-75mg of tren ed wks 1-8/1-10.

I will lbe taking 10mg nolva daily as it is easier for me to get hold of. Also, I dont want to use tren due to the probs Ive read that people have and its just a bit advanced for my first cycle from what ive read. Also, I think I would like to keep to noe more than 3 diff types in one cycle.

Do you know much about front loading ?? I thought the 8 week cycle of enth and var would be OK If I front loaded the Enth so that it got into my system quicker ?? What do you think about this ?

Thanks

Darren

BTW - is that you in the avatar????

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Originally Posted by dazbo

I will lbe taking 10mg nolva daily as it is easier for me to get hold of. Also, I dont want to use tren due to the probs Ive read that people have and its just a bit advanced for my first cycle from what ive read. Also, I think I would like to keep to noe more than 3 diff types in one cycle.

Do you know much about front loading ?? I thought the 8 week cycle of enth and var would be OK If I front loaded the Enth so that it got into my system quicker ?? What do you think about this ?

Thanks

Darren

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Sorry I didn't see this was your first cycle. I did tren my 1st cycle and I was fine, it's all up to you. The reason I reccommed letro is because it's a much better "cutting" agent than nolva. If you chose test e letro would be your best choice.

To frontload just take double of the test dose the 1st week.

Nope that's not me in my AV (I wish) it's Chris Cormier.

So how is Letro a better Cutting agent ?? If I can be convinced about letro then I may try and get some.

Do you think that front loading will allow me to have a shorter cycle of a long acting ester such as Enanthate ? OR, would I just be better off doing the 12 week cycle I placed above ?? Just want to know if 8weeks of enth or 12 weeks inc prop would be much different in bang for the time/bucks ?!???

I'm just in the learning stages of all this stuff so although I am learning, I think theres still plenty to know!! I want to make sure I know the best way and exactly why I will be doing/taking certain things as well as their benefits over over similar products. Someone mentioned prop to be better on cutting and enth to be better on bulking but I cant figure out why that would be because people always say test=test=test!!

Thanks again

bump

How to Design a Cutting Cycle.

you'll be hard pressed to get letro in the uk dazbo, the cycle looks good mate, Var and Prop are a must in my opinion for a cutter although maybe 500mg pw of enanthate with some arimidex will keep you bone dry (not sure if the Var would keep enough water off - bump) also, don't be as scared of Tren, its not as bad as its made out and if taken EoD or ED (opinion varies ) you'll be amazed how good it is, its just very supressing so you have to be prepared for a bad post cycle recovery (although everyone varies)
I think your going the right way about cycling too, you are taking on board what the folks here have to say and thats good

Britguy;

Why can't he just order letro off the AR-R site (this site)? Is it illegal to import chemicles into the UK for "research purposes"? It's "not for human consumption" soI think it would get by customs...I used to get it in New Zealand, and the laws are very similar.

well basically i only like to either 1) pay with cash or 2) i only have a debit card, which im thinking wouldn't be any good, had visa's in the past and there more trouble than there worth, if i pay for sumthing i like to pay there and then - ill have to check it out, i see the price of supplements in america compared to here are scandalous but if i bought any id have a massive postage fee i suppose

Money Order?

thanks, ill have to look into it

What are peoples thoughts on replacing my Var with Turinabol ? I've got to do some research into Turinabol yet but thought I'd see what you guys thought too.

Its looking like Im going to do -

wk 1-10 Var @ 50mg/day
wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 500mg/week (EOD)
wk 1-10 Nolva @ 10mg/day

I guess Ill just have to get used to EOD shots !!

How do I work out how many ml to inject if Im shooting the 500mg EOD ?!??

Thanks for the input so far guys

darren

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Originally Posted by dazbo

What are peoples thoughts on replacing my Var with Turinabol ? I've got to do some research into Turinabol yet but thought I'd see what you guys thought too.

Its looking like Im going to do -

wk 1-10 Var @ 50mg/day
wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 500mg/week (EOD)
wk 1-10 Nolva @ 10mg/day

I guess Ill just have to get used to EOD shots !!

How do I work out how many ml to inject if Im shooting the 500mg EOD ?!??

Thanks for the input so far guys

darren

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just do prop 75mg ED ..

what about npp instead of eq

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Originally Posted by hooker

How to Design a Cutting Cycle.

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Very good read.

where did NPP or EQ come into this ??

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Originally Posted by dazbo

where did NPP or EQ come into this ??

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you said u wanted to include eq someone else it makes u very hungry so it might not be ideal for a cutter (i disagree) but i said npp might be a better alternative to the eq for a cutter

Looks like Im going to change from Var to turanabol. Good idea ?? Mainly for the price and in the hope that the Turanabol will do pretty much the same as the Var.

If I do this - maybe 50mg per day of Turanabol ??

Thanks for the input so far.

darren

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turnabol is fina isnt it

has anyone got anymore info for me please ?? Stil dont know whtat final cycle to do ?!!!

thanks