First Cycle: Did I leave anything out?

[boatyj]

I can only afford a 6 week cycle with amps, so here's what I got in mind.
Give me your thoughts:

Week 1: 250mg Sust/ 500mg Deca /
Week 2: 250mg Sust/ 500mg Deca/
Week 3: 500mg Sust/ 500mg Deca/ 20mg dBol each day
Week 4: 500mg Sust/ 250mg Deca/ 20mg dBol each day
Week 5: 250mg Sust/ 250mg Deca/ 20mg dBol each day
Week 6: 250mg Sust/ 250mg Deca/ 20mg dBol each day
Week 7: 20mg dBol each day
Week 8: 20mg dBol each day

Week 10-12: Clomid 5mg each day.

This would be my first REAL cycle. I've only got about $400-500 to spend and Im looking to bulk up my lower body (calves are hurtin, and would really like to see some "tear drops" over my knees)

This too much for a first cycle? Im also worried about the dBol Acne and water retention Ive been reading about. What can I do to reduce the probability of acne. Does diet effect acne on dbol or what?

Thanks in advance for yo thoughts.


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[Iron horse]

you will be unhappy with 6 weeks of that.

8 weeks of sust at 500mgs/week
8 weeks of deca at 400mgs/week
35mgs/day of dbol weeks 1-4

clomid 2 weeks after last shot.

beta sitostrol is a good DHT blocker to help prevent acne and hairloss, plus protects prostate.

anti-e's on hand right?

I wonder how many times I've said that reply!

[dyno45]

A couple things I see that could be changed. First off start the d-bol at week 1 and go through week 4. Second there is no need to taper the sust or deca . You are better off to keep them at 250 mg for an 8 week cycle. The 500mg a week will be enough for a first cycle, especially with the d-bol which will give you a jump start as the sust & deca usually take 3-4 weeks to kick in. What are your stats- weight, height & bf?

[boatyj]

Thx for the reply

Right now, Im about 193 pounds, 5'11 at about 8% BF.

Im also thinking about just a heavy dbol , 20-35mg a day and deca 200-400mg/week cycle for 8 weeks.

What are some good anti-e's by the way? And do I need 3 weeks worth of Clomid or less?

ThX

[Iron horse]

anti-e's = alot of people like liquidex but nolvadex works good too.

I'd stick to the cycle I laid out, but if price is really a matter, drop the sust down to 250mgs/week just to prevent deca side effects. pluss a little test with help out the cycle a lot.

[Dr.Evil]

if you don't have a lot of money then stick to a single ester test like cyp or enanthate instead of a blend like sust or omna. it will be much cheaper and the results are the same.

eq is also cheaper than deca and IMO better too.

dbol is a good bang for the buck.

don't start clomid 2 weeks after your last oral. it should be 2-3 weeks after your last long ester shot.

[Iron horse]

Doc Evil, why not start 2 weeks later instead of taking the change of going into a catabolic no test mode? clomids pretty cheap too.

[4plates]

i agrree with the good dr,if money is an issue lose the sus,and go with cyp,or enethate
with the saving you can run a nice cycle.

[Dizzy]

i like your idea on that cycle. except for the dosages and the duration. run a shorter acting compound while the eq or deca is leaving the body (which takes three weeks). this way you don't have to wait to start clomid and take the chance of crashing too hard. also...take dr. evil's advice and switch to a single ester test and eq. you should be able to get everything for under $500. i would run it like this.

test 500mg week 1-10
eq 400mg week 1-10
dbol 30mg week 8-13
have anti-estrogens just in case of gyno

the next day after your last tab of dbol start clomid at 300mg for the first day, 100mg the next 10 days, and 50mg the next ten days.

[boatyj]

Good deal.

Sounds like Im gonna go with a test/eq/dbol

How much Novalex should I get in case I start to see Gyno? In case of emergency, I dont want to come up short

I heard EQ is good for vascularity - this true? If so, I might drop the test and use the extra $ for some more EQ

[Iwan2bsolid2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by boatyj
[B]Sounds like Im gonna go with a test/eq/dbol


WORD. Go with it. You'll like. Eat and train right and you'll be weighing 213 easy when it's all over.

[BIG_JDAWG]

you want to keep the test in there. test is the base of almost every cycle. i would run the dbol at the beginning of your cycle though. weeks 1-6. IMO, i like enanthate . it's pretty cheap. pending on your source, you could get a 10ml 200mg vial for around $40-60. and you could just run 200 the whole time if you want. if this is your first cycle bro, take your time with it and make sure you have gotten everything and know you EXACTLY what you want to do with it. because your body will react awesome to your 1st cycle, as long as you do it right. good luck my friend

Big J

[Dizzy]

i wouldn't drop the test. good base for a solid cycle. nolvadex is cheap so i would load up on it. if you get signs of gyno take 40mg until symptoms go away then proceed to take 20mg throught your cycle. gyno has been known for appearing post cycle so be sure to have enough left over in case this happens.

[boatyj]

OMG..... if I stepped on the scale in 10 weeks and weighed 213, I dont know what Id do bro. I'd flip.. just the thought of that is crazy cool.

213.... what a good number.

[eradikate]

beta sitostrol is a good DHT blocker to help prevent acne and hairloss, plus protects prostate.

[/B][/QUOTE]

where do i find that sitostrol?? i dont feel like losing my hair either

[Iron horse]

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/...osterol&CatID=


there you go beta sitosterol at a great price!

[Iron horse]

f**k!! they just lowered there price again, I paid an extra two bucks a bottle cause I ordered some a week ago!!

[boatyj]

THat stuff REALLY work to fight acne while on gear?