Some EQ VETS would be appreciated.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Alright guys I am familiar with Deca but EQ is new to me. I want to do a cycle to help restore my joints... well I'm gonna let them heal but I want to get some good gains here on my next cycle and make sure that I have strong joints. So... I want to do a maintenance dosage of Test (200mg/week) and a good amount of EQ. Is the collagen synthesis increase a variable with dose? For instance will I have much better collagen synthesis at 800mg/week versus 4-500mg/week? I plan on taking Anavar with it for 12 weeks or so... so hopefully that will give me some tree trunks for tendons... if im lucky... Anyways... is it good to increase EQ for the duration of the cycle the same as it is for Test? I'm assuming it is... so maybe weeks 1-12 600mg/week and then bump it to 800 for the remaining 13? (25 weeks on)...

[irish bulldog]

if your running that much eq will will need to run more test than eq,i love eq

[Dude-Man]

you don't need to run more test than eq, that's an old wive's tail.

For your joints, deca will help more than eq. It's not only about collagen synthesis, but an increase in quality and quanity of synovial fluid that accounts for joint relief. Nandrolone gives you both, while eq only gives you collagen synthesis.

[hawkeye1877]

EQ is an excellent compound i love it. It helps your mucles remain hard, and you keep most of your gains. i would run though at least an equal amount of Test with EQ, i have had great success with EQ/Test cycles

[Geeezer]

so its cool to run the same amount of EQ and Test E?
Looking to maybe do EQ instead of Deca with test

[shadowman25]

eq and test was the first thing I tried. I tried deca and test next and thought it was much better.
everyone is different.
eq was twice as expensive too because I needed twice as much.

[joevette]

Throw in some HGH and IGF-1 LR3 and you'll have a helluva tendon cycle.

[The Massacre]

I love EQ. Just gotta run it a little longer then you would Deca. I just came off a 12 week cycle running EQ 600mg a week. It was great and my second time running it.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Throw in some HGH and IGF-1 LR3 and you'll have a helluva tendon cycle.

Hmm... I want some GH but I can't afford it yet... would IGF-1 LR3 be worth it for the benefits to the joints? o and I know you SHOULD run an equal amount of test with your EQ but I'm not gonna. Large amounts will decrease the collagen synthesis increase that I will be getting from the EQ. I didn't know that about Synovial fluids though interesting... so how about like...

Test E 200mg/week 1-25
EQ 800mg/week 1-25
Deca 600mg/week 1-25
Anavar 10-25

Anyone ever done anything like that before? I know I'm gonna get shut down with the deca but would that give me some good improvement in my joints? I want some good size gains but joints come first!

[LACBodybuilder]

I am currently running EQ at 800mg per week at everything seems to be fine. Vascularity is definitly increasing, hunger however is not. I don't see a problem with the EQ being run at a higher dose than the test, however the deca at a higher dose for 25 weeks may cause some libido problems that take a while to go away.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

good call on the libido... I will buy a sh1t load of viagra... maybe I'll just take the deca the first 12 weeks? Then drop the extra bloat... and harden up on the var and EQ... Yeah sounds good... drop the deca add the var... whatcha think?

[LACBodybuilder]

I think that plan sounds a little better. Maybe run the deca to week 15. Also I would definitly add in some HCG, and run that either throughout your cycle or once you get off of the deca. That will make PCT and keeping gains a lot easier since your body is going to have to work extra hard to recover after this cycle.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Alright sounds good... I have a vial of HCG... not a ton but maybe enough to be able to keep some more gains... how long is that sh1t really good for once reconstituted? I mean I don't think the last 2 vials I used did much but hey what do i know.... how should I take the HCG my friend?

[Logan13]

"Alright guys I am familiar with Deca but EQ is new to me"
If this is true, why would you think about running more deca than test over 25 weeks?
IMO I would do something about the deca. Deca not only makes it almost impossible to get wood, it also makes you not want to have the sex in the first place(libido).That is a really long cycle while on such a low base dose of test. I know some guys would tell you that you don't need test(or small amounts) with a cycle, but over 25 weeks, I would reconsider.
-Logan13

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Well It's not like I can't change anything as I go along... I think that 25 weeks of deca would be a problem.... that is why what we have been discusing is this:
200mg Test E 1-25
600mg EQ 1-15 bump to 800mg EQ 16-25
500mg Deca 1-15
50mg Var/ED 12-25
HCG ????
Numbers are still up to be played with but you get the idea...

[LACBodybuilder]

Alright sounds good... I have a vial of HCG... not a ton but maybe enough to be able to keep some more gains... how long is that sh1t really good for once reconstituted? I mean I don't think the last 2 vials I used did much but hey what do i know.... how should I take the HCG my friend?

I believe they are good for 2 weeks after they are prepared. However I have also seen some people say 30 days. I would try to use it as quickly as possible though. A doses of around 300iu/ed would be good at keeping everything more in check. Hopefully this helps.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

so I think I will take it right after I finish the deca... I hear that too much HCG can cause your body to desensitize to the Leutenizing Hormone? I have no idea if that is the right concept and/or words... just remember something about it.. wouldn't i be better of doing 500IU a few times weekly... maybe the same day/time (mon morning thur night) as my regular injections?

[Logan13]

Do you have some connective tissue problems? I noticed that this was the reason you stated for taking low dose test for this cycle. IMO, if this is such a problem I would go to the doctor and get my IGF levels taken. If they come back low, you qualify for HGH therapy (you may need to be referred to a specialist for insurance to cover the HGH). This will take care of your tendon/ligament problems better with fewer side effects than AAS. Let us know how its going.

-Logan13

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Do you have some connective tissue problems? I noticed that this was the reason you stated for taking low dose test for this cycle. IMO, if this is such a problem I would go to the doctor and get my IGF levels taken. If they come back low, you qualify for HGH therapy (you may need to be referred to a specialist for insurance to cover the HGH). This will take care of your tendon/ligament problems better with fewer side effects than AAS. Let us know how its going.

-Logan13

Thanks a lot for the concern my friend. No real connective tissue problems persay but my f#cking elbows are killing me every day... I can't do anything right now and every couple days I do something that makes them bad.... they are in a bad way right now... As far as why they are this way... probably has to do with the Test/Tren cycle that I did... I was fine before it but after it I was all effed up.. and I doubt IGF-1 is the problem as I am 20 years old.. and I don't have insurance right now... i can't afford GH... how expensive would a cycle of IGF-1 be on the average?

[LACBodybuilder]

HCG can be shot subQ so you dont really even have to mix it with your shots. You could however maybe take two 500IU doses everyweek and shot them with your normal IM shots like you said. That should be fine.

[Logan13]

Do you hear a crackling sound when you bend your elbow (with or without weight)? I am afraid that this will get worse until you take the time to fix it.
I realize now that you are trying to save your elbows while doing a cycle. Remember, you have alot of years ahead of you, don't beat up your joints at 20 YO. I had a bad Rotator cuff from an Iron Man I competed in at 21. It forced me to give up a D1 wrestling scholarship.
Take the time (away from heavy weights) and let it heal. At 20 YO, you have not finished growing (at least not in thickness). I promise that you will put on what is referred to as "man-muscle" around the ages of 28-32. Your muscles will reach full maturity at this point. Not trying to piss on your AAs parade bud, just giving you some info. from a guy who has been there. PM me with any concerns.
-Logan13

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

I only have one vial... it is 10,000 IU. That means if I start taking it when I discontinue the Deca I would be taking it for the last 10 weeks of the cycle... which is great in theory... (atleast I think so).. but the HCG is only good for 30 days right? So how do I make it so I'm not using it all at once... my HCG comes in 2 vials... one with Liquid one with Powder... so I have no choice but to reconstitute it all at once correct??? Somebody help me figure this out before i start breaking sh1t...

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Do you hear a crackling sound when you bend your elbow (with or without weight)? I am afraid that this will get worse until you take the time to fix it.
I realize now that you are trying to save your elbows while doing a cycle. Remember, you have alot of years ahead of you, don't beat up your joints at 20 YO. I had a bad Rotator cuff from an Iron Man I competed in at 21. It forced me to give up a D1 wrestling scholarship.
Take the time (away from heavy weights) and let it heal. At 20 YO, you have not finished growing (at least not in thickness). I promise that you will put on what is referred to as "man-muscle" around the ages of 28-32. Your muscles will reach full maturity at this point. Not trying to piss on your AAs parade bud, just giving you some info. from a guy who has been there. PM me with any concerns.
-Logan13

Yeah I hear yah... I'm gonna give it some time off but this is my next cycle and the goal of it is strengthening my joints... I hope that once they are healed that this will really reinforce that time off i took... I don't know if what I am doing is the best thing for me but I don't think it's that bad... Thanks bro.

[LACBodybuilder]

I only have one vial... it is 10,000 IU. That means if I start taking it when I discontinue the Deca I would be taking it for the last 10 weeks of the cycle... which is great in theory... (atleast I think so).. but the HCG is only good for 30 days right? So how do I make it so I'm not using it all at once... my HCG comes in 2 vials... one with Liquid one with Powder... so I have no choice but to reconstitute it all at once correct??? Somebody help me figure this out before i start breaking sh1t...

you can buy more sterile vials and water if you need to. *** carries them I know for a fact.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

but how do i measure out the powder?? Do I weigh out the powder and put it into new vials? But then how do I guarantee sterility? I can't just reconstitute it and then put it into a new vial because that would defeat the purpose... the only way to do it would be to open up the vial with powder... then weigh it and transfer it into different vials to prepare it for reconstitution... but the stuff would be exposed and I would have to have a way to reseal those vials.... this is tricky @ss sh1t.. (and there is no BA or BB to sterilize it)

[LACBodybuilder]

This is definitly tricky as hell. You got me on this one bro. Maybe someone with some HCG experience can help you out on this one. BUMP.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Ahah... I finally have a legitimate tricky question... and it only too 719 POSTS!!! One thought of mine is... If I mix it with my regular injection... would the BA and BB in my other compounds be enough to ensure sterility of the injection should I choose to expose my sterile HCG powder so that I can divide it into smaller dosages to be reconstituted seperately?? probably not but just a thought... (i hate thinking)

[LACBodybuilder]

haha, thinking does suck sometimes. I dont think the BA and BB from the other shots would help. I guess the only real solution I can come up with for this one is one you are not going to like. Get more HCG. Told you you were going to hate it. Seems like such a waste though if you have 10000IU's. Id look into how long the HCG can actually survive once made. If you can make it last a month or so then you could run it the last month of your cycle at a higher dose. THat would help as you went into PCT. Just make sure not to combine the HCG and clomid as they counter-act each other.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

haha, thinking does suck sometimes. I dont think the BA and BB from the other shots would help. I guess the only real solution I can come up with for this one is one you are not going to like. Get more HCG. Told you you were going to hate it. Seems like such a waste though if you have 10000IU's. Id look into how long the HCG can actually survive once made. If you can make it last a month or so then you could run it the last month of your cycle at a higher dose. THat would help as you went into PCT. Just make sure not to combine the HCG and clomid as they counter-act each other.

Yeah you do HCG before your cycle is over for best results... I will probably use it in the middle at high dosages for a month... beef the boys up weeks 15-19 then let them shrivle a little for the last 6 weeks of the cycle... then clomid should do the trick... more than anything though it would give me a good bump back from that Deca suppression...

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

alright lets look at it... i have 10,000 IUs to be used over 30 days if it really lasts that long... lets assume it does... now am I better off with taking a consistant dosage on a regular basis or do you think it would be better to start off with a larger amount (say 2500IU day one) then dropping down to 1000 for shots there-after? If I did the 2500.. then did the shot of 1000 every 4 days... would that be reasonable... it would take 34 days I think... if i did that math right... and leave me with 1/2 a cc (500IU) of play room in the vial... maybe 1000 every 3 days? whatcha think?

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

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