Question from Holland

**Dutchboyy** · 03-22-2005, 11:44 AM

Hi guys,
i'm new here, i'm 19 years and life in holland. Here in the netherlands there isn't enough information about anabolics.
So i got a few question for you guys.

I've made the choice to take anabolics, there's now way back anymore for me, i wanted to start with dbol, or winstrol ( both tabs). it's my first time, so i don't want to use depot yet.

But now my question, can i take dbol and winstrol both together, or is it better to do it apart, like, first 6 weeks dbol and after that 6 weeks winstrol?

Can anybody make me a good schedule? also with the use of clomid/nolvadex afterwards?

Regards from Holland!

**YounG_SluG11** · 03-22-2005, 11:48 AM

Not a good choice for a first cycle. IMO, if you're not ready for needles you're not ready for steroids. Spend some more time on the board reading up and you will find all the information you need.

**gixxer600** · 03-22-2005, 11:56 AM

"I love gooooooold!" - Goldmember
Just kidding bro. You should do a little more reading, no rush. Soon you'll figure out how silly it would be to do that stack.

**J.S.N.** · 03-22-2005, 06:05 PM

worst stack ever ya stinkin' cloggie!

**A_Giant_Bear** · 03-22-2005, 06:21 PM

Oral roids are more dangerous than injectibles. Go with test only the first cycle. Check out the steroid profiles. Also, don't mind stamos, he is a prick to everyone. He gives roids a bad name.

**scotttiger54** · 03-22-2005, 06:57 PM

19's to young bro. wait till you've maxed out naturally, but now is a good time to learn so you can put your knowledge to use later

**RUballs0514** · 03-22-2005, 07:32 PM

definitely need to wait a few years bro. i'm sure you can still pack on some more lbs without the gear. i agree with the test cycle as a good beginning. just keep readin and askin educated questions. you'll find the best cycle for you, but only when you're ready.

**Juddman** · 03-22-2005, 07:41 PM

Agreed with everyone above...read up, take some time, make your desicion then. Orals only is not a good option, especially 2 together like that. You will find most people recommend a simple test only cycle for a first round.
Good luck and welcome.

**Dutchboyy** · 03-23-2005, 08:45 AM

Alright then, i'm gonna wait for a little while then, but i got one queston left, what do you mean with "test", is it testosterone?

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 08:47 AM

you re way too young, wait until you re 21 at least! u could **** up ur endocrine system big time.

test=testosterone, yes.

btw what r ur stats, how long ahve u been lifting?

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 08:48 AM

and do some research, orals only are a no no. do also a research concerning side effects of steroids and also post ccle therapy.

**SwoleCat** · 03-23-2005, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dutchboyy

what do you mean with "test", is it testosterone?

~SC~

**JdFlex** · 03-23-2005, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

~SC~

Come on, english is probably not the guy's first language, give em' a break.

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 09:34 AM

same in german= testosteron and dutch isn t very far from german...

**JdFlex** · 03-23-2005, 09:38 AM

Deutsch ist nicht Dutch.

**Juddman** · 03-23-2005, 09:39 AM

I love seeing the variety of bros in here.

**JdFlex** · 03-23-2005, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Juddman

I love seeing the variety of bros in here.

Me too. I think its so cool to communicate with people from all over the globe. What a small world it actually is.

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by JdJuicer

Deutsch ist nicht Dutch.

har har I know but both languages have a lot in common

**JdFlex** · 03-23-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

har har I know but both languages have a lot in common

Hahahaha, I'm just having some fun!

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 10:31 AM

but ur german is pretty good, where did u learn it?

**jugganaut** · 03-23-2005, 10:31 AM

All orals? Nah! Not a good idea. You need some test in that stack. But if your adamant on taking orals you going to need get some Milk Thistle for your liver.

**JdFlex** · 03-23-2005, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

but ur german is pretty good, where did u learn it?

Schule. Drei jahres. Is that how you spell "years"? I can remember how to say it but not spell it. I learned the basics, most of which I can't remember anymore. My German always mixes with my Spanish. Its really annoying. Here's the extent of it. Spelling might be a tad off.

Wo ist der taschenrechner?
Der bleistfitschpitzer ist weg.
Ich bin seibeundzwantzig jahre alt.

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 10:45 AM

hehe almost

years= Jahre

it s a horrible language to learn, but I think scandinavian languages are even harder. and let s not talk of chines or japanes...!

**SwoleCat** · 03-23-2005, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by JdJuicer

Come on, english is probably not the guy's first language, give em' a break.

It has nothing to do w/a language barrier of any kind.

It does have to do however with the lack of education regarding AAS and proper usage of such substances. I suspect because no research and planning has been done and there is a "rush" to hurry and begin.

~SC~

***xxx*** · 03-23-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

there is a "rush" to hurry and begin.

~SC~

hey, it s almost spring break/summer, gimme a break

**Robinson** · 03-23-2005, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by JdJuicer

Come on, english is probably not the guy's first language, give em' a break.

I'm Dutch too and we're talking about "test" also. He just isn't ready. Read your ass off for a year and then start the roids, that is if you're at or close to your natural limit. Most think they are but diet is the key. You can get very far without AAS.

And oral only will get you nothing. Less gains, more sides. Pinning yourself means nothing. I admit I was wary too at first but it's a piece of cake. Read a lot bout everything and don't forget pct etc.

Oh, and they could have told you the same on for instance www.dutchbodybuilding.com

**remarxxx** · 03-23-2005, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Robinson

I'm Dutch too and we're talking about "test" also. He just isn't ready. Read your ass off for a year and then start the roids, that is if you're at or close to your natural limit. Most think they are but diet is the key. You can get very far without AAS.

And oral only will get you nothing. Less gains, more sides. Pinning yourself means nothing. I admit I was wary too at first but it's a piece of cake. Read a lot bout everything and don't forget pct etc.

Oh, and they could have told you the same on for instance www.dutchbodybuilding.com

I think they allready did bro..

**Jase** · 03-23-2005, 11:44 AM

You should not start so young, wait untill you are 22/23 yrs old,you do not want to effect your natural growth {height } by taking roids so young, you have enough natural gh and test in your body.

And yes i agree with most of the other comments, its a crap stack {infact i dont even classify that as a stack } you must look at injectables, a lot safer than orals{ less toxic in general } but 1st wait untill you are older, dont be so much in a rush, Rome wasnt built in a day.

God speed

**J.S.N.** · 03-23-2005, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Robinson

I'm Dutch too

sorry to hear that.

Originally Posted by Robinson

Oh, and they could have told you the same on for instance www.dutchbodybuilding.com

hah that site cracked my shizzle! "hier flaming wird nicht duerfen" or whatever it said. get your own 'net lingo ya clog-wearin' freaky-deaky potheads!

nah j/k bro mad props (respek) to u for knowing english better than i do.

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