me 1st cycle, plz help out, all the PROS^.^

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 01:05 PM

halo, me first cycle very good
plase coment

week 1-12 SUSTANON 500MG/week
week 1-12 DECA DUraburin 400MG/week
week 1-5 ANABOL(THAI) 30MG/ED
week 10-14 WINSTROL TABS 50MG/ED
WEEK 1-19 NOLVADEX 10mg/ed
WEEK 1-14 PROVIRONUM 25mg/ed

PCT - CLOMID week 16-19 just like steroid.com (very good)
PCT - CLENBUTERoL 16-19 >_< 2weeks on 2weeks off

VERY GOOOD? is it too much for 1st cycle im a novice boy
STATS - 167LBS 5, 11''FT

WORKOUT ^^ 6 days on 1 day off
MON- DELT/TRICEP
TUE - BICEP/FOREARM
WED - LEGS ALL
THURSDAY - CHEST
FRIDY - LAT/TRAP
SATURDAY - ABS
SUNDY - REST SLEEP EAT GOOD

GOOD?

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 01:12 PM

bump

**damiongage** · 03-29-2005, 01:13 PM

way to much gear for a first cycle

**GridIronDevil** · 03-29-2005, 01:17 PM

dog look at your natural stats, bro thats a big ****ing cycle for a first timer, not to mention one for a guy who hasnt toped 180 at 5'11 yet, i dunno bro, looks like ya did your home work on effective gear and PCT atleast, gl man

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 01:22 PM

so what are you suggesting for my first cycle,

**Cheters** · 03-29-2005, 01:25 PM

Looks like you need some more food before you need gear. What is your diet looking like?

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 01:28 PM

around 3500 CAL
200-250 PROTEIN
350-400 CARB
around 100 FAT
i have diet plans setted out already just need info on my gear , 1st cycle

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 01:35 PM

comment plzz bumping

**taiboxa** · 03-29-2005, 01:38 PM

read Hookers POST on Clen bout how to use it.. 2wk on 2 off is not as benificial as using it straight through and using Benydrill to phosphilate your beta2receptors.

**GridIronDevil** · 03-29-2005, 01:38 PM

o hey i just got back, personally, i would wait a good 2 months, throw down, and train your ass off, and get about 8-9 hours sleep anight, loadup on carbs and your protien and grab some cheap creatine and get about 15 grams aday, 5 with breakfats, 5 befor workout and 5 berfor bed, do this and put as much natty weight on as possible. do you already have your gear?

**taiboxa** · 03-29-2005, 01:39 PM

but in all honesty i would try to get a little bigger before starting that cycle

say maybe try to put on another 15lbs of quality mass
and goto the Diet Forum and read the sticky's there

**GridIronDevil** · 03-29-2005, 01:40 PM

and if i were you get some baby asperin fin your self some effedrine HCL and som caffine pills and do an ECA inplace of the clen, form the studies ive read on clen i dont like it at all

**taiboxa** · 03-29-2005, 01:45 PM

i have used clen did a 9 week cycle w/ an Every 3rd week Benydrill Phosphilation.. kept my taurine/potassium up w/ ample Vit B complexes and it workd great for me.. i have been an ECA user for life but clen seemed to work a lil more efficiently for me... but i sweated alot more which go old.

**GridIronDevil** · 03-29-2005, 01:50 PM

true ive just never really used it and it seems like it takes many people many different dosing patterens to work best

**taiboxa** · 03-29-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by GridIronDevil

true ive just never really used it and it seems like it takes many people many different dosing patterens to work best

bah as long as you have ur sidearms intact ... ample water, Taurine, Potassium, tylenol at the redy, monitor your blood pressure, and use benedryll ... IMO Clen>ECA

**thunderterd** · 03-29-2005, 01:55 PM

Most people ready to use gear are mind set to do so. Most people won't listen when you tell them to wait and gain naturally before starting, so...

To answer your question, run a test e only cycle for 10 or 12 weeks. Kickstart with dbol if you want first 5 weeks, 30 mg day. Go 500mg , split 250 monday, 250 thursday. Your diet is key.

**russia dog** · 03-29-2005, 04:37 PM

should i run winny as well?

clen question, what is benedryll, where do i find it, how much is the dosage

**taiboxa** · 03-29-2005, 04:44 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=clen
read, learn, enjoy

**keithquig** · 03-29-2005, 05:12 PM

hey how old r ya anyway and how long u been training

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:01 AM

hmmm no one answer me about me cycle >_< plz help modify cycle, me first cycle

**AVAGO** · 03-30-2005, 04:04 AM

Just run a straight test cycle for 12weeks with PCT at the end. Ample for a first cycle, and you have to find out how your body reacts to the compounds.

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 08:06 AM

no deca? no winny?

**joevette** · 03-30-2005, 08:22 AM

Don't run proviron through pct, it is a dht derivitive with a slight anabolic/androgenic effect and will inhibit your recovery. You'd be better off with a-dex.

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:18 PM

oh, my bad, im not running proviron PCT, just nolva/clen/and clomid

i need insight on my stacks... ANY PROS OUT THERE COMMENT PLZ, my first cycle
winny/deca/sus/anabol, like mentioned above

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:20 PM

im akeady planning on using AAS rite now, so.. plz dun t preeach me to not use it, these gear are irresistable

wad i need is, an insight on the cycle..

**Justincase** · 03-30-2005, 04:27 PM

dump the winny on this cycle......your pretty light to start with.
keep the ana, sust and deca.

really, you could do really good on your first cycle just running the sust @ 500mg a wk
but if you feel the need to use more I would use the deca. and wait for the next cycle
to add the other stuff.

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:41 PM

so, no dbol and no winny?

i thought they are very mild, but work differently
i need to know the negative side of adding dbol and winnny..on first cycle

as far as the side effect ex: GYNO, water retention, not of my concern,

i want to put as much mass as possible

**stayinstacked** · 03-30-2005, 04:44 PM

Stick with just the Sustanon and deca as you have planned out for 12 weeks.If you eat enough and train right, thats plenty of gear for a first timer to get some amazing results.

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:49 PM

hmmmm so, dbol and winny shiouldn't aid my gain?
will it do any harm at all?
i mean, i ahve them ready here. i want to maximize the gains

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:51 PM

wad im asking is,
can i add dbol, winny, if not WHY, wad r the pro's and con's

and how can "too much gear" harm me?
i want to put on some crazy mass, lean, hardness
thank you so much

**stayinstacked** · 03-30-2005, 04:56 PM

For one, you've never cycled before, so you dont know how the body is going to react to the compounds. Second, why would you want to shortchange yourself? Steroids are not a quick fix, more is not always better. The more you do this cycle, the more it will take the next. You could easily throw on a good 20 lbs with just the Sustanon and deca bro, save the Winstrol and Dbol for the next cycle. Do how you wish, but a 12 week cycle with the sustanon and deca is plenty for a first timer. With your stats, even if you ran all the stuff you've listed, you will not morph into some ripped massive beast within 12 weeks. This takes years. So if your in it for the longhaul be smart and do your first cycle moderately.

**taiboxa** · 03-30-2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by russia dog

wad im asking is,
can i add dbol, winny, if not WHY, wad r the pro's and con's

and how can "too much gear" harm me?
i want to put on some crazy mass, lean, hardness
thank you so much

personally i would run an TestE/EQ cycle. its clean and simple.

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