Turanabol or Var ??!

[dazbo]

Sorry, I know this has been asked before, but I want some answers to some questions.

Ive heard (And found) that Dianabol is crap for keeping gains and mainly just puts water weight on you. I hear VAR is great - if not the best for lean gains,vascularity,strength and the likes also. I also here that Turanabol is a good sub to Var other than its cheaper, and increases libido instead of decreasing - which are both good benefits to Tur.

So, id Dbol is crap, Turanabol is nearly as good as Var (One of the best), then how can Tur be a weaker version of DBol ?????

The reason I ask is, I dont like Dbol, but am thinking about choosing Tur over the Var due to price. But, if its just weaker DBol, then obviously I dont want it.

Can someone please clear this up cos to me, its all contradicting.

If money is a big problem, then which would be best to use ?? For lean gains, fat burning, vascularity, anti-catabolism etc etc

Thanks

Darren

[***xxx***]

fat burning? no steroid burns fat. period.

buy some test if money is a problem.

[dazbo]

Ok maybe I didnt mean actually burn fat but more, promote fat loss and prevent muscle loss. No need to be picky.

I will be using Test prop EOD with the turinabol/var whichever I choose.

Anyone actually got any answers on this one ??

thanks

[dazbo]

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[Duke of Earl]

In my experience - tbol is better than var for mass building & it's cheaper - I still use both, but if i had to choose i'd go with tbol.

[dazbo]

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[Nicky B]

I would choose tbol. I think it is the best oral out there because cheaper then var, low toxicity, doesn't aromatize, and medium size gains. Or better yet you could run them together tbol and var.

[DwinsChamps]

i had the same post, dazbo, and everyone who responded said var was the way to go...

[dazbo]

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[fudgedelic]

My only experience between those 2 is with var and i swear by it, whenever i can afford it in a cycle it's going in, however, lots of guys nowadays are raving about tbol so it's definitely something i want to try in the future.

[yooo]

whats avg. street price for Turanabol these days?

[judge_dread]

Anavar is better tha OT...do some research.Of course is more expensive too but still u have to look for the best.

[GrantC5]

What are the sides for Tbol?

[Duke of Earl]

What are the sides for Tbol?

I didn't notice any at 60mg ED except having a 24hr boner.
I get more sides from Var - but I think my biochemistry is a bit weird.

Tbol is prolly worse on the liver tho, but it's not supposed to be too bad

[DwinsChamps]

Which one, T-Bol or Var has a higher androgenic effect, and which aromatizes less?

[Duke of Earl]

Which one, T-Bol or Var has a higher androgenic effect, and which aromatizes less?

Off the top of my head I'd say Var is more androgenic - and I'd guess that aromatisation is pretty much negligable for both.

[DwinsChamps]

Lets clear this up...

Var is, yes, as expensive as a J-Lo Blowjob. But by no means is T-Bol dirt cheap...from what i've seen. I must say that other than the libido loss, which is at least semi-cured from the test (no?), Var seems to be the way to go.

[dazbo]

Im still unsure. getting diff answers here. my sourceis charging £55 (British) for 50 x 5mg tabs of Var. If I did 40 mg per day, thats 8 tabs daily IF I chose to do 10 weeks of that, then thats £616 there!! Then there's the cost of the Test Prop which I would use so it would be an expensive 10 weeks!

BTW, while on this subject, I want this cycle to be REALLY good for lean muscle gains as well as a bit of fat loss while not eating more than maint cals. Would 10 weeks of Var/OT be OK or should I think of something shorter ???

Also, sex is a BIG part of my married life (Believe it or not) so I dont want ANY libido loss but a boost would be great!

thanks

[dazbo]

I was thinking about doing the below cycle next - its my second cycle and I would like to get some reasonable size gains (Approx 14lbs kept hopefully) AND also cut up and all the rest the VAR is good for -

wk 1-4 DBOL @ 40mg per day
wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
wk 5-10 VAR @ 40mg per day split dosages
Maybe Nolva @ approx 10mg per day
wk 11-13 Nolva @ 20mg per day
wk 11-13 Clomid 300mg day 1, then 100mg the rest of PCT (Maybe drop to 50mg last week)

Let me know what you think. I still might replace VAR for OT depending on everyones oppinions.

thanks

[Duke of Earl]

wk 1-4 DBOL @ 40mg per day
wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
wk 5-10 VAR @ 40mg per day split dosages
Maybe Nolva @ approx 10mg per day
wk 11-13 Nolva @ 20mg per day
wk 11-13 Clomid 300mg day 1, then 100mg the rest of PCT (Maybe drop to 50mg last week)

Looks good, but I'd run the Var longer (8 weeks min, but pref the whole 10) - I personally wouldn't bother with the Dbol - but thats just me.
As for libido you'll be fine if you're using Prop - could chuck in some Tongkat if you fancied.

[dazbo]

Thanks for that reply but if I did VAR for 10 weeks, from my source it would cost me over £600 !!! So thats why Ive reduced it to 5 weeks. Is that 5 weeks really not worth it ?

I was only including DBol for a boost and because I have some left from my first cycle

thanks

[Duke of Earl]

You'll see something from 5 weeks - I can notice Var working after only 3 or 4 days (vascularity) - you could try and find some var powder - 10 weeks at 50mg ED would cost you as little as 45 quid (100 max)

[dazbo]

VAR powder would be greta but I really dont think I could get it. how would it be taken ? in a shake OK or would it have to be capped ??

thanks

[Duke of Earl]

how would it be taken ? in a shake OK or would it have to be capped ??

It would be a pain in the arse (and difficult) to weigh out each dose seperately -
I think capping is most convenient, but you can make liquid var (dissolve in everclear etc..)

[DwinsChamps]

It would be a pain in the arse (and difficult) to weigh out each dose seperately -
I think capping is most convenient, but you can make liquid var (dissolve in everclear etc..)

Honestly, i'd be careful about taking Var for more than 8 weeks. it's been shown to provide diminishing returns if ran longer than 8 weeks, and it's pretty hard on the kidneys... http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=112543

If its definitely too expensive to run for 8 weeks, and the packaging permits you to, you could try a 6 weeker of anavar (from what i hear it's the lowest most people do), bc with the prop you should be able to easily keep 15 lbs if you do your pct correctly...

[***xxx***]

hard on the kidneys...?! where did u read dat?!

[Duke of Earl]

hard on the kidneys...?! where did u read dat?!

As far as I'm aware it's not particularly hard on the kidneys - it's just that var is metabolised by both the kidneys & the liver, which is partly why is not too toxic ( the metabolism is spread )- i've never seen any evidence to suggest var induced kidney damage.....can you post any articles??

Honestly, i'd be careful about taking Var for more than 8 weeks. it's been shown to provide diminishing returns if ran longer than 8 weeks

I agree - I wouldn't recommend running var for more than 8 weeks without a liver check at the 6-7 week mark - if at 6-7 weeks your liver isn't complaining too much then you should be OK for a longer run (I've run 50-75mg ED for 18 weeks without too much trouble - had bloodwork done at 6 weeks, 12 weeks, & at the end)

[hung-solo]

as far a toxicity goes var is like skittles to halo, dbol, tbol and the rest. i wouldnt mind some of that powder though. i dont think any of my peeps carry it though. hmm..

[dazbo]

What would it do if I changed the cycle from just VAR or OT to maybe starting with OT for 3weeks, then VAR for another 3 weeks ?? But still doing 10 weeks of Prop ??

Im just trying to get the best idea overall for both cost and gains. I do want everything VAR does for you, with a little more size hopefully from the Prop. But if OT will do it, then Im happy to go with that. What would you guys do ????? bear in mind VAR would be £55 for 50 x 5mg tabs!

thanks

[GrantC5]

I ran it for 4 weeks or so at 20mg and then jumped to 40 mg for another 9 weeks. 13 weeks total. I took Tongkat the whole time and milk thistle. I have never heard of powder Var I need to get a source for that.

[hung-solo]

I ran it for 4 weeks or so at 20mg and then jumped to 40 mg for another 9 weeks. 13 weeks total. I took Tongkat the whole time and milk thistle. I have never heard of powder Var I need to get a source for that.

yeah me too

[dazbo]

yup same here !! I would love to do the VAR at at least 40mg for a full 10 weeks but I cant afford at the price my source is going to charge!

So anymore ideas on getting the best out of this ?

thanks

[dazbo]

Right its looking like Im going to do the VAR. Sack turanabol cos source cant get it. thinks its not made anymore but i know different ! lol

anyway, how shall I go about this ?? I was thinking of these options......

OPTION 1:

wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
wk 1-5 VAR @ 40mg ED

OPTION 2:

wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
wk 1-10 VAR @ 20mg ED

OPTION 3:

wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
wk 5-10 VAR @ 40mg ED

And usual PCT and protection etc......

Which is the best ?? Or are there better ways ??

thanks

[dazbo]

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[DwinsChamps]

I say if you're going to run var for 5 weeks, which would be okay, you should probably up the dosage to at least 50mg/day

also, don't forget milk thistle and all that good stuff.


BTW, accidentally said prop above, but utilized the editing function...

[dazbo]

not sure if u are understanding Dwins......

If you look above I said I will be doing Prop @ 100mg EOD for 10 weeks - not for 5??
also, 100mgEOD is equal to 50mg ED?!?

Option 1,2 or 3 ???? Or other ?

thanks

[Titan1]

I would take OT cause Var is overrated IMO and overpriced

[dazbo]

If you look above my source cant get it anyway - so Im stuck with very expensive VAR !!

My source is charging £250/$475 for 5 weeks at 40mg/day.

[AG_CA]

Hmmm. If you do an internet search for it you should be able to find it, go to the BD website and confirm whether or not they are a vaild supplier

[Duke of Earl]

out of those options I'd say 3

how about 35mg ED for 6 weeks?

If that was my budget I'd try & find some Tbol - you'll be able to run a decent dose for longer at the same cost.