Gains with Sus and D Bol???

[M@dm@n 9]

Do you have to have test cyp or enth when stacking sustanon and dbol together??? Or can you get good gains with just those two?

[1-Cent]

Sustanon is Testosterone ...

[M@dm@n 9]

Sustanon is Testosterone...

thats what i thought, and deca is too as well???? someone on another thread said something about adding a test to my cycle and i didnt understand...i am new to all of this...sorry .......thanks

[Booz]

sum1 on the other board aint got a clue!

[Booz]

deca is not test.

[M@dm@n 9]

deca is not test.

Where can i go to see info on the difference between deca and sust??? thanks

[Booz]

just research deca n test

[Booz]

Steroid profiles

Deca Durabolin -nandrolone decanoate

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Although nandrolone decanoate is still contained in many generic compounds, almost every athlete connects this substance with Deca Durabolin . Organon introduced Deca Durabolin during the early 1 960's as an injectable steroid available in various strengths. Most common are 50 mg/ml and 100 mg/ml. Deca Durabolin is the most widespread and most commonly used injectable steroid.


Deca's large popularity can be attributed to its numerous possible applications and, for its mostly positive results. It's main characteristic is clearly defined on the package insert by Organon GmbH Company: "The distinct anabolic effect of nandrolone decanoate is mirrorred in the positive nitrogen balance." Nitrogen, in bonded form. is part of protein. Deca Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it releases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive nitrogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of protein than usual. The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca Durabolin cannot be obtained. The highly anabolic effect of Deca Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time, most athletes notice considerable water retention which, no doubt, is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca Durabolin also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily ease or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment while using Deca Durabolin. Another reason for this is that it blocks the cortisone receptors. thus allowing less cortisone to reach the muscle cells and the connective tissue cells. Athletes use Deca, depending on their needs, for muscle buildup and in preparation for a competition.


Deca Durabolin is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2 mg/pound body weight. Those who take a dose of less than 200 mg/week will usually feel only a very light anabolic effect which, however, increases with a higher dosage. The anabolic and consequent buildup effect of Deca Durabolin, up to a certain degree, depends on the dosage. In the range of approx. 200 to 600 mg/week, the anabolic effect increases almost proportionately to the dosage increase. If more than 600 mg/week are administered, the relationship of the positive to the negative effects shifts in favor of the latter. In addition, at a dosage level above 600 mg/week, the anabolic effect no longer increases proportionately to the dosage increase, so that 1000 mg/week do not guarantee significantly better results than 600 mg/week. Most male athletes experience good results by taking 400 mg/week. Steroid novices usually need only 200 mg/week. Deca Durabolin works very well for muscle buildup when combined with Dianabol (D-bol) and Testoviron Depot. The famous Dianabol (D-bol)/Deca stack results in a a fast and strong gain in muscle mass. Most athletes usually take 15-40 mg Dianabol (D-bol)/day and 200-400 mg Deca/week. Even faster results can be achieved with 400 mg Deca/week and 500 mg Sustanon /week. Athletes report an enormous gain in strength and muscle mass when taking 400 mg Deca/week, 500 mg Sustanon/week, and 30 mg Dianabol (D-bol)/day. Deca is a good basic steroid which, for muscle buildup, can be combined with many other steroids .


Although Deca is not an optimal steroid when preparing for a competition, many athletes also achieve good results during this phase. Since Deca Durabolin is a long-term anabolic, there is risk that with a higher dosage, the competing athlete will retain too much water. A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but usually occurs only at a dose of 400 mg/week. During competitions with doping tests Deca must not be taken since the metabolites in the body can be proven in a urine analysis up to 18 months later. Those who do not fear testing can use Deca as a high-anabolic basic compound in a dosage of 400 mg/week. The androgens contained in 400 mg/week also help to accelerate the body's regeneration. The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estrogen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex . A preparatory stack often observed in competing athletes includes 400 mg/week Deca-Durabolin, 50 mg/day Winstrol , 228 mg/week Parabolan , and 25 mg/day Anavar .


Although the side effects with Deca Durabolin are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic-caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a prolonged time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleeding and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also report headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogencsis can be inhibited in men, i.e the testes produce less testosterone . The reason is that Deca Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropin from the hypophysis.


Women with a dosage of up to 100 mg/week usually experience no major problems with Deca Durabolin. At higher dosages androgenic-caused virilization symptoms can occur, including deep voice (irreversible), increased growth of body hair, acne, increased libido, and possibly clitorishypertrophy. Since most female athletes get on well with Deca Durabolin a dose of Deca 50 mg+/week is usually combined with Anavar 10 mg+/day. Both compounds, when taken in a low dosage, are only slightly androgenic so that masculinizing side effects only rarely occur. Deca, through its increased protein synthesis, also leads to a net muscle gain and Anavar, based on the increased phosphocreatine synthesis, leads to a measurable strength gain with very low water retention. Other variations of administration used by female athletes are Deca Durabolin and Winstrol tablets, as well as Deca Durabolin and Primobolan S-tablets. Since Deca Durabolin has no negative effects on the liver it can even be used by persons with liver diseases. Exams have shown that a combined application of Dianabol / Deca Durabolin increases the liver values which, however, return to normal upon discontinuance of the 17-alpha alkylated Dianabol and continued administration of Deca Durabolin. Even a treatment period with Deca Durabolin over several years could not reveal a damage to the liver. For this reason Deca Durabolin combines well with Andriol (240-280 mg/day) since Andriol is not broken down through the liver and thus the liver function is not influenced either. Older and more cautious steroid users, in particular, like this combination.


A great disadvantage of Deca Durabolin is its high price. In the U.S. a 50 nag ampule costs approx. $10 - 12. In a catalog of a large American pharamaceutical company the 50 mg ampules are offered at $11.79. A 200 mg/ml ampule costs $19.49. Since the weekly dose is around 200-400 mg/week, treatment can become very expensive. On the black market, one can especially Find the Dutch and Greek Deca Durabolin in strengths of 200 mg/2 ml ampules, they usually cost around $30 per ampule. Those who have access to the generic Greek 50 mg products such as Anaboline, Ziremilon, or Extraboline, receive a product of equally good quality at a slightly lower price. We doubt whether the Russian Retabolin and the Hungarian Retabolil are of good quality. At least from the standpoint of their price these products are very interesting. Because of its great popularity and the high demand that goes along with it, there are many fakes of Deca Durabolin. Some of the most popular include the brown 10 m/injection vial "Nandrolone Decanoate" by International Pharmaceuticals and the 30 ml and 50 ml brown glass vials supposedly by the manufacturer "National Products CA-U.S." Also, Deca fakes are mostly sold in brown and white 2ml glass ampules with supposedly 100 mg/ml. In Europe, original Deca Durabolin is never sold in a glass ampule or vial with more than 2ml injection solution. The ampules and vials by Organon Company all come with an adhesive label or sticker and no simple stamp imprint which, as on most fakes, is directly placed on the glass. If somebody offers you individual ampules without its appertaining packaging you should be very skeptical about the compound (and salesperson). The drug "Nandrolone Decanoate" by International Pharmaceuticals comes with an adhesive label on the 10 ml vial is individually packaged, but it is still a fake. There are also several fakes of the Dutch Deca Durabolin "100" by Organon Company. It is relatively easy to recognize the original since it comes in a prickthrough ampule with a red cap. The Greek Deca Durabolin is bought by dealers on Crete in large quantities with little difficulty, since Crete receives a certain yearly allotment from the Greek mainland. Its subsidy by the government allows for a low price. The Mexican Deca unfortunately is manufactured only in a 50 mg version which means quite voluminous injections for its user. Since it is not as simple to imitate the Redi-ject versions one can assume that he or she is dealing with an original Deca compound if it originated in Mexico. There are always two Redi-ject injections in one original package. The ampules by Organon are of brown glass, with an aluminum cap and a white label with blue and black print. The probability of receiving an original Mexican Deca is very low.
Steroid profiles

Sustanon - Sustanon 250

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Substance: Testosterone propionate 30 mg, Testosterone phenylpropionate 60mg, Testosterone isocaporate 60 mg, Testosterone decanoate 100 mg

Sustanon is a very popular steroid which is highly appreciated by its users since it offers several advantages when compared to other testosteron compounds. Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteristics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate , cypionate , and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the sytem and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks. Sustanon has a distinct androgenic effect which is coupled with a strong anabolic effect. Therefore it is well suited to build up strength and mass. A rapid increase in body strength and an even increase in body weight occur. Athletes who use Sustanon report a solid muscle growth since it results in less water retention and also aromatizes less than either testosterone enanthate or cypionate. Indeed many bodybuilders who use testosterone and fight against distinct water retention and an elevated estrogen level prefer Sustanon over other long-acting depot testosterones.


It is further noticed that Sustanon is also effective when relatively low doses are given to well advanced athletes. It is interesting to note that when Sustanon is given to athletes who have already used this compound in the same or lower doses, it leads to similar good results as during the previous intake. Sustanon is usually injected at least once a week., which can be stretched up to 10 days. The dosage in bodybuilding and powerlifting ranges from 250 mg every 14 days up to 1000 mg or more per day. Since such high dosages are not recommended and fortunately are also not taken in most cases the rule is 250-1000 mg/week. A dosage of 500 mg/week is completely sufficient for most, and can often be reduced to 250 mg/week by combining with an oral steroid. Sustanon is well tolerated as a basic steroid during treatment which stimulates the regeneration, gives the athlete a sufficient "kick" for intense training units, and next to the already mentioned advantage rapid strength increase and solid muscle gain distinguishes itself also by its compatibility. In order to gain mass fast Sustanon is often combined with Deca Durabolin, Dianabol (D-bol) or Anadrol while athletes who are more into quality prefer combining it with Parabolan, Winstrol,Anavar or Primobolan Depot.


Although Sustanon does not aromatize excessively when taken in a reasonable dosage many people, in addition, also take an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron to prevent possible estrogen-linked side effects. Since Sustanon suppresses the endogenous testosterone production the intake of HCG and Clomid must be considered after six weeks or at the end of treatment. It is recommended that women not take depot testosterones since the androgen level would strongly increase and virilizalion syniploins could result. Despile this, it is not uncommon for female competing athletes in the higher weight classes to take testosterone since it helps in remaining "competitive." Women who use "Testo" or who would like to try it should limit its use to either only testosterone propionate or inject a maximum of 250 mg Sustanon every 10-14 days over a period of no longer than six weeks. At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testosterone compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them.


The side effects of Sustanon are similar to those of Testosterone enanthate (see also Testosterone enanthate) only that they are usually less frequent and less severe. Depending on the predisposition and dosage, the user can experience the usual androgenic-liked side effects such as acne, aggressiveness, sexual overstimulation, oily skin, accelerated hair loss, and reduced production of the body's own hormones. Water retention and gynecomastia are usually within limits with the "Sustas" or are not as massive as with enanthate and cypionate. Liver damage is unlikely with Sustanon however, in very high dosages, elevated liver values can occur which, after discontinuing use of the compound, usually go back to normal.


Sustanon is well distributed on the black market and readily available. Unfortunately a large number of these compounds are more or less good fakes. When someone offers you ampules which do nol have a paper label but a simple, usually red, imprint, these are certainly fakes. Mostly these are Polish Omnadren from which tlie original label was removed and replaced by a Sustanon imprint Original Sustanon which almost exclusively is manufactured by Organon Company always lias a paper label. It is more difficult to find the less frequently available original "Susta." On the black market mostly the Russian or Indian Sustanon 250 are available however, large quantities of this original Sustanon 250 are smuggled to Europe and the U.S. The Russian Sustanon 250 comes in a plastic film; printed in blue ink on the back are the name of the compound, the manufacturer, and the included substances. This imprint is either stamped on aluminum foil or on white paper. Five ampules are combined in one strip whereas each ampule is packaged individually. Original Sustanon 250 usually costs $16-19 per ampule on the black market and is certainly worth the price. In the meantime there are also several fakes of the Russian version which, however, can be easily identified by the rounded corners of the label. The originals always have a label With sharp corners.

[D TrAiN]

bro . . sust is a mix of four different testosterones. It is fast acting and puts on mass. You deffinatly need to do some PCT if you decide to take it. Deca on the other hand gains quality mass and strength with little water retention. Deca is also pretty low on side effects. the only thing is you wont piss clean for up to 18 months.