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04-19-2005, 05:39 PM #1
Best Equipoise without Test??????
2nd cycle coming up. In the Novice cycle #5 section of AR. It suggest
weeks 1-10 500mg Eq per wek
weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50gs ED
Nolva 1-15
clomid PCT.
I believe Im prone to Male pattern Baldness. Because of that Id like to drop the Winstrol. Originally I wanted a Test Prop and Tren cycle but because if this reason,..Tren isnt a good idea for me (even with proscar). My question is,..Id like to add Prop to this. Whats the best cycle to build mass/strength/.......more importantly cut-up!!! How should I run the Prop,..
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04-19-2005, 05:41 PM #2
in correspondence with the Equipoise of course.
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04-19-2005, 05:41 PM #3AR Hall of Fame
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You can only cut up if your dietary approach supports your goals.
Gear just assists you while you do so.
~SC~
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04-19-2005, 05:48 PM #4Originally Posted by SwoleCat
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04-19-2005, 05:51 PM #5
yup. diet and cardio will cut you up, not the gear. gear just makes keeping the muscle easier. if you're gonna do eq at 500, run the prop a little higher at 600. shoot ED ideally, but EOD in a pinch.
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04-19-2005, 05:55 PM #6Originally Posted by wired-up
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04-19-2005, 06:00 PM #7National Level Bodybuilder
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Originally Posted by Cuttup
12 for the EQ and
13 for the Test Prop
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04-19-2005, 06:27 PM #8Originally Posted by MrMent1on
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04-19-2005, 06:31 PM #9Originally Posted by stayinstacked
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04-19-2005, 07:04 PM #10
His current cycle is fine except the nolva. EQ doesn't aromatize to any extent, and winny has anti-estrogen properties of it's own. Save the nolva for post cycle.
Also, I have heard of people having free test levels well in the normal range mid-way through an EQ only.
I really love when someone trys to ruin a cycle like this with test by saying it maintains your sexual function. Pffftt, eq/winny supresses most people very little, and test would DEFINTELY shut you down harder. Your dick will be in much better shape 2-6 weeks after cycle if you DONT use the test.
I recover from oxandrolone cycles in almost no time. I run eq/winny for 10-12 weeks (winny wk3-8)) then hit the var for 6 weeks. Follow up with just a little nolva for 2 weeks. Try it...it's a winner Guaranteed 10lbs keepable LBM if diet and training are even close to being on target. I got 17 last time.Last edited by spooledup; 04-19-2005 at 07:07 PM.
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04-19-2005, 07:24 PM #11New Member
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firstly i disagree with a cycle that does not have test in it.
EQ is not a substitute for TEST. That original cycle is questionable.
Be wary of Tren - to many people it is toxic. I cant use it and have tries several brands over several cycles.
If you do tren (ACE) you must do ED injections so you might as well run prop.
Originally Posted by Cuttup
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04-19-2005, 10:31 PM #12Originally Posted by spooledup
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04-20-2005, 07:40 AM #13Originally Posted by MrMent1on
what about 10 weeks eq
12 weeks Prop
4-12 weeks 30mg Ed Turinabol ?
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04-20-2005, 09:18 AM #14
bump for cycle critique.
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04-20-2005, 03:12 PM #15
another BUMP!!!!!
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04-20-2005, 03:25 PM #16
If this is only your second cycle I'd go along the lines of
Week 1-12
Test E. 500mg a week (or prop at 100mg ED or EOD)
Eq 400mg a week
with PCT
This witha proper diet and workout planned you'll achieve some good goals.
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04-20-2005, 03:34 PM #17Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN
weeks 1 -12 Prop 100eod
Eq 400 mgs per week..HOW MANY weeks ,..i was thinking 10.
Id like to through OT in the last 8 weeks. what do you think?
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04-20-2005, 03:49 PM #18
Why are you so dead set on eq? Why not try some prop on its own? You can run 100mg eod for like 10 weeks. Ive had a couple friends do that for their first cycle and they gained 15 lb-20 mostly lean pounds. However, I will agree with spooled up in regards to the eq/winny combo from experience. If you can't speak on experience, then your opinion is next to worthless as far as I'm concerned.
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04-20-2005, 04:29 PM #19
the properties of Eq seems promising. I ran Enanthate my first cycle by itself,..gained 28lgs. Alot of water and temp weight gain,..but decent. Eq with add quality and hardness. why do you oppose the EQ?
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
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04-20-2005, 04:41 PM #20
I personally don't like winny.... I like Eq for bulking actually.... deca is good but I have made good solid( meaning less bloat and all) with just eq and prop. All depends on how each person reacts and what they like really.
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04-20-2005, 04:47 PM #21Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN
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04-20-2005, 06:30 PM #22Originally Posted by Cuttup
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04-21-2005, 09:10 AM #23Originally Posted by wired-up
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04-21-2005, 12:46 PM #24Originally Posted by Cuttup
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04-21-2005, 02:16 PM #25Originally Posted by Cuttup
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04-21-2005, 02:29 PM #26Junior Member
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Can EQ be taken alone or does it need to be run with test?
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04-21-2005, 02:35 PM #27
Should use test, highly reccomended
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04-21-2005, 02:39 PM #28Junior Member
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Is it the same deal as Deca ?
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04-21-2005, 03:45 PM #29Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by joevette
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04-21-2005, 08:08 PM #30Originally Posted by Fat Mike
People who say "no test no cycle" are truly the most ignorant on this board.
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04-21-2005, 09:35 PM #31Originally Posted by Angel of death
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04-21-2005, 09:37 PM #32Originally Posted by spooledup
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04-22-2005, 07:05 AM #33Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by 50%Natural
I do it myself all the time. I always recommend test with any cycle but if you dont respond great to it then you have to experiment with something else. this my 1st time using EQ, tren and prop. I have no idea what it will do for me until i try it. what it does for me it may not do for someone else. we are all chemically made up different. every single one of us.
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05-05-2005, 10:02 AM #34Originally Posted by Fat Mike
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05-05-2005, 10:06 AM #35Originally Posted by stayinstacked
Agreed!! EQ does NOT have to be run at a lower dose than your TEST. 2nd, Most people will tell you that running EQ any highter than 500mg is a waste.
I personally LOVE Test and I would Never run a cycle without it. PERIOD. Thats just me.
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05-05-2005, 10:14 AM #36Originally Posted by buylongterm
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05-08-2005, 07:46 AM #37New Member
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i was jsut courious to how this cycle looks to yall
week 1-11 eq at 400mg
1-12 test e 500mg
8-12 winny 50mg ed
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05-08-2005, 09:00 AM #38Originally Posted by spooledup
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05-08-2005, 10:56 AM #39
bump for EQ being ran lower than the Test Dosage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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