1st timer - a little advice needed

**dingo warrior** · 03-28-2008, 06:11 PM

Hey all,
I'm about to start my first "dark side" cycle... 500mg test-e 1x/week.
I am considering stacking winnie with it too at 50mg/ed for the first 20 days.

problem is... the win comes in satchets of 20ml/50mg/ml. so everyday I would drink 1ml (for 1st timer, shootin the test will be enough for me)
however, not much info out there about satchets so Im wondering once I remove the win from a stachet, and out it in a vial, can i just take daily from that vial? or should I load up 20 seperate vials?

also, instead of win, I was thinking about just runnin 2 weeks on 2 weeks off clen during the cycle - figuring i could lower bf a lil and the test would prevent canibilization.

or lastly, I could run furazadrol (winadrol) at 250-300mg ed for the weeks.

thoughts?

and yes PCT and all is planned out (have nolva/clomid combo)

and I have done cycles of superdrol, pheraplex, havoc, etc.

**usmcpunk911** · 03-28-2008, 06:50 PM

make sure the vile is sterile

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-28-2008, 07:29 PM

age?
height?
weight?
bodyfat% ?
etc..

**RANA** · 03-28-2008, 08:41 PM

Are you doing 500mg of Test in one shot once a week?
Why are taking winny at the begining of your cycle?
What are your goals?

**dingo warrior** · 03-29-2008, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by jAcKeD!!!!

age? 28
height? 6'2
weight? 205
bodyfat% 15-16%???
etc..

Originally Posted by RANA

Are you doing 500mg of Test in one shot once a week? heard the half life makes that worthwhile
Why are taking winny at the begining of your cycle? so being on test rest of the time helps me keep gains from the stack plus keep gaining throughout, whereas winnie at end might give me more to lose during pct... but im open to your thoughts
What are your goals? I like being 205 so I dont wanna put on TOO much weight... more lean out and get strong... and have a summer body

thoughts plz

**samcam** · 03-29-2008, 07:30 AM

At 15% BF I would cut naturally, maybe alternate an EC stack and Clen , get your diet in order and hit the cardio. You have plenty of time before summer. Then when you have you diet in order etc., you can consider cycling for some lean gains, how long have you been lifting?

**RANA** · 03-29-2008, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by dingo warrior

thoughts plz

At 6'2" 205lbs and 15-16% BF you should drop weight with dieting, but could get to 190 with low bf. Well if you are lifting/eating right and taking Test you will gain mass, you should look at taking winny the last few weeks of Test, run them both inconjuction to ending your cycle so that you can start your PCT. Winny will give you a harder look.
You should to break up your Test by taking 250 mg every 3 1/2 days or so.