tren/ anavar/ test - cutter cycle questions

**G-Force** · 04-27-2005, 08:44 PM

i have done 2 cycles in the past with great results however i have put on a bit of fat since then, particularly around my waist

my goal is to lose as much fat as possible (10 +lbs) with the addition of 10lbs lean muscle (or more if possible)

i plan to use var/tren and some form of test (hopefully prop if i can get it, if not test E or sust)

i will be eating a very low carb, very high protein, medium fat diet, with cardio 3 x a week (30 - 60mins) and weights 3 x a week

i have not used var or tren before so am unsure about dosages etc

here is my first draft, what do you guys think?

weeks 1 -12 Tren 50mg EOD
weeks 1 - 12 test prop 50mg ED
weeks 5- 12 anavar 50mg ED

pct clomid/nolva, 3 days after administration

is my tren dose high enough? which is more advisable EOD or ED for the tren?

cheers

G

**mark956101957** · 04-27-2005, 09:02 PM

Hi Bro, if this is your 3rd cycle I would go ED with tren 50-75mg and ED Prop 50-75mg. Var looks good. Tren can have some wicked sides so if it gets bad you can always back off a bit. Var is about as side free as gear gets.

**ChefJ** · 04-27-2005, 09:26 PM

If you can bump the var to 75mgs ed IMHO 50mgs is a waste and you will not notice it at that low of a dose stacked with the tren .

**G-Force** · 04-28-2005, 02:07 AM

yeah i can think about upping the var and tren dosages (although i wasnt planning on destroying my bank balance completely)
50mg tren ED
60mg var ED perhaps (see how it goes and up if necessary)

i forgot to mention i will probably be running clen with this cycle. at least for the first 2 weeks, and will decide where to go after that

***xxx*** · 04-28-2005, 02:21 AM

I m sorry, but it s not possible to lose 10lbs of fat while gaining 10 lbs of muscle. at least not with steroids .

**G-Force** · 04-29-2005, 06:57 AM

why not?

i have read about many people achieving simlar results with a similar cycle

**Josey Wales** · 04-29-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

I m sorry, but it s not possible to lose 10lbs of fat while gaining 10 lbs of muscle. at least not with steroids.

People toss this out all the time. And it sounds both logical and scientific. However, it runs contrary to my experience and to the reports you see on a lot of bulletin boards. People gain muscle and lose fat simultaineously all the time with gear.

I can't say that for you losing exactly 10lbs of fat while gaining exactly 10lbs of muscle is possible. But with gear gaining LBM while *significantly* reducing your % of bf is certainly possible. I know that people will flame the f**k out of me for saying so, but this has been my experience.

**Consistency** · 04-29-2005, 11:29 AM

wk 1-12 Prop 75mg ED
wk 1-10 Tren 60mg ED
wk 5-12 Var 50-75mg ED

**Dj Reversal** · 04-29-2005, 02:54 PM

my first prop tren var cycle

100mg/ml a day prop week 1-12
75mg/ml a day tren week 1-10
60mg a day var week 5-12

didnt really have any sides and kept my anti e's and pct on hand

Mark

**G-Force** · 04-30-2005, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dj Reversal

my first prop tren var cycle

100mg/ml a day prop week 1-12
75mg/ml a day tren week 1-10
60mg a day var week 5-12

didnt really have any sides and kept my anti e's and pct on hand

Mark

those are some high dosages.

what were you gains on this cycle?

**CrispyHaole** · 04-30-2005, 06:03 AM

I believe xxx is correct here, you cannot lose 10 lbs of fat while gaining 10 lbs of muscle. Only way to do this in the same cycle is by changing your diet mid-cycle. HOWEVER, it certainly IS possible to gain 10 lbs of muslce and lose bf%...key here isthe siff between fat mass and fat %...of course if u gain 10 lbs of lbm, your bf % automatically goes down...

**G-Force** · 04-30-2005, 06:21 AM

i really dont see why it isnt possible

when i first started bodybuilding - for the first 6months i lost fat round my wiast while gaining muscle mass and that was WITHOUT steroids

**CrispyHaole** · 04-30-2005, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

i really dont see why it isnt possible

when i first started bodybuilding - for the first 6months i lost fat round my wiast while gaining muscle mass and that was WITHOUT steroids

I had the same experience, as did many. But this only happens your 1st year of liting. Body gets major trauma and reacts real quick till it gets used to the idea of exertion for no apparent reason...

**Dj Reversal** · 04-30-2005, 09:07 AM

actually for me.. when i started the cycle.. i was 212 19.2% body fat... now after doing the cycle and pct with clen for 1 month. im 209 13.1% body fat.

Mark

**taiboxa** · 04-30-2005, 09:20 AM

dood dropping 10lbs of fat and gaining 10lbs of muscle is POSSIBLE on AAS.. if your a virgin to the weights otherwise... good luck is all i got to say.

**G-Force** · 05-03-2005, 12:08 AM

definitely not a virgin to the weights
also the fact that i will be using clen will help because of its anti catabolic properties

i will also be using glutamine

i will post my results on this link in a few months time

AnabolicAlien · 05-03-2005, 01:02 AM

just curious... why do people say "anti catabolic"? isn't that the same as "anabolic "??

A.A.

**Sp!ke** · 05-03-2005, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAlien

just curious... why do people say "anti catabolic"? isn't that the same as "anabolic "??

A.A.

No because anti-catabolic = you don't loose muscle, but don't especially have gains.
Anabolic = increase of mass

**Syr** · 05-03-2005, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Josey Wales

People toss this out all the time. And it sounds both logical and scientific. However, it runs contrary to my experience and to the reports you see on a lot of bulletin boards. People gain muscle and lose fat simultaineously all the time with gear.

I can't say that for you losing exactly 10lbs of fat while gaining exactly 10lbs of muscle is possible. But with gear gaining LBM while *significantly* reducing your % of bf is certainly possible. I know that people will flame the f**k out of me for saying so, but this has been my experience.

Finally someone says so

I'm sick of hearing the same statement over and over.
I would say that its better to add some other thing to the AAS to enhance fat loss though, like T3 and IGF-1, but with a var/tren cycle or similar its definitely possible to get those goals.

According to the very few studies that exist, there are significant differences among steroids regarding to body composition. Test and nandrolone do not promote fat reduction, while var does.

**G-Force** · 05-04-2005, 02:32 AM

well said

i'll be taking clen /ephedrine while on this cycle so i expect good results

i am also not working at the moment so my diet/training/rest will be 100%

i have decided to do a poll to see how many think fat loss and muscle gain are possible