Sustanson

[sgoldberg]

What are the opinions on sustanson? can it be in a pill or only a needle? Thanks for you time and suggestions.

[yenstrol]

I would run test e or c instead. results are far better. j m o

[Scrub]

I've seen it in amps and redijects before. Never heard of it in pill form.

[longhorn814]

go w/ test e or cyp for your first time. Test is only available via injection.

[Scrub]

Test is only available via injection.

Except for Andriol

[littleguns]

what the hell is sustanson? do u mean sustanon?

[dirtyvegas]

ive only heard and read about injectible forms of sustanon..im considering sustanon in my first run as well..

[sgoldberg]

im sorry to sound like a complete idiot and take up your time with my petty questions, but i really am not familiar with this stuff even though i've doena lot of research . . . please just suggest an effective steroid that is not injected if you dont mind. thank you

[longhorn814]

if you cant inject, you shouldnt do steroids, period!!

[dirtyvegas]

dianabol..pronabol 5.... there orals..and both for bulking

[yenstrol]

liquid is the way to go bro

[sgoldberg]

thank you dirtyvegas, i appreciate it your suggestions

[diezell]

like its been said on this board a million times no needle no cycle

[dirtyvegas]

hes got a point....dont be such a wuussy. have a friend jab you the first couple times..orals are harder on the liver..good to thow ann oral in a stack though..

[sgoldberg]

true . . then i'll inject, but first tell me about it bro - what type of needle do i use, and if i inject is deca the way to go? is there one that will rip me up, amek me stronger, and burn fat? and im not a wussy but i'll ask straight up if the injections hurt?

thanks for your help

[dirtyvegas]

no problem brother im same situation as you. im putting a stack together myself this will be my first run.lucky for me my hommie is a male nurse and hes gonna jab me, and teach me to jab myself,,lol..

[kstone6tb]

dianabol..pronabol 5.... there orals..and both for bulking

I have a feeling he's going to assume it's ok to take an oral only cycle from advice like this judging by his distain for needles.

Bro, research first cycles and you'll most likely find what you're looking for; and ya...you'll have to get over the needle thing.

[sgoldberg]

hahah then let me know how it goes . . . but is it a painful process?

[dirtyvegas]

well i cannot tell you completly for sure about the needle but im told it 1.5 in long for the glutes. heysgoldberg do you got msn ill send you a e book for free and itll run you through everything

[longhorn814]

bro what are you stats, age, weight, training experience? According to your public profile youre only 19. If thats true, you should train naturally before considering steroids. Steroids arent miracle drugs, you must have a very solid diet, training experience, and solid base built, otherwise you wont get much out of them and you'll lose all your gains

[sgoldberg]

yea defineatly - its [email protected] . . . thanks a lot man i appreciate the info

[dirtyvegas]

k im gonna send it to you right now let me know if you recieve it k?

[yenstrol]

run test run test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sgoldberg]

alright i got it, and this looks very helpful, i will certainly keep in touch man thanks a lot dude and good luck

[BG]

run test run test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen to longhorn.......listen to longhornnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[BG]

Guys that havent even done a cycle yet should not be givn advice, you should give advice through experince which some of you have none!!!!!!!! :chairsho JMO

[longhorn814]

well i cannot tell you completly for sure about the needle but im told it 1.5 in long for the glutes. heysgoldberg do you got msn ill send you a e book for free and itll run you through everything

i hope that e-book isnt by Mick Hart!! If so, its crap

[dirtyvegas]

study those e-books, and find what will work best for you, and your needs. it explains everything vary easily...and then choose for yourself..let me know how it goes brothaa..peace!!

[yenstrol]

whatever

[dirtyvegas]

for one thing i never gave advice just gave him some books dude relax..!!! and i actually sent 3 books which one of them is by mich hart.the other 2 are not. and it is not crap dude..my people have used some of his programs with big gains/ results..for you to knock harts book is like knockin like 90% of the bull shit that gets said in these forums anyway.

[BG]

for one thing i never gave advice just gave him some books dude relax..!!! and i actually sent 3 books which one of them is by mich hart.the other 2 are not. and it is not crap dude..my people have used some of his programs with big gains/ results..for you to knock harts book is like knockin like 90% of the bull shit that gets said in these forums anyway.

What I said was your saying go ahead do a cycle , the kid is 19 and you dont even now if he diets or how long hes been training, great you have info but give sound advice also!!!!!!!!!!!!!He has plenty years of natural growth ahead of him!

[dirtyvegas]

those books say everything your tryin to say to him(being to young & diet) .why not give him info to study, soo he knows what hes getting into.

[dirtyvegas]

and i agree with you too, no problem here. but ive been given "sound advice" and still thought i was to ignorant in the area of juice before i started reading alot of books now i know alot more then i did 6 months ago. its good info..!!

[longhorn814]

for one thing i never gave advice just gave him some books dude relax..!!! and i actually sent 3 books which one of them is by mich hart.the other 2 are not. and it is not crap dude..my people have used some of his programs with big gains/ results..for you to knock harts book is like knockin like 90% of the bull shit that gets said in these forums anyway.

mick harts book is crap. He talks about pyramiding, taking deca/dbol cycles, basically a bunch of old school ideas. Much better information out there.

[dirtyvegas]

mick harts book is crap. He talks about pyramiding, taking deca/dbol cycles, basically a bunch of old school ideas. Much better information out there.

yeah soo you sayin its noo good hu,haha. its funny those are still mentioned quite some here in the forums.by the way it does say that about deca/dbol but thats like one page out of like 200 pages there,when you have a book of your spaceaged advanced techniques please send it to me, not much has changed..other then some potentialy new and dangerous gear out there now that do you more harm then any good

[dirtyvegas]

soo give me some new info for stacking and suggest me some gear ill look into it..please!! so im curious im gonna be 25 this month..and im getting ready for my first cycle. do you think im too young? my diet is great and ive been traing consistantly for 18 months straight now. Advice ?

[longhorn814]

yeah soo you sayin its noo good hu,haha. its funny those are still mentioned quite some here in the forums.

Do a search for Mick Hart on here. Out of the 82000 posts, I only got 31 results. That's not a lot and most of them dont have good things to say. One of the cycles has him taking anavar and nolva. Why nolva? Var doesnt aromatize. He also suggests taking andriol too? WTF?

You want a good first cycle? 500mg/wk test e for 12 weeks followed by proper PCT. Its as simple as that. Have anti e's on hand too. You should see how you react to test alone before stacking other compounds. Test should be the base of every cycle. If you start stacking and you get sides, how will you know what its from? I would say for only training 18 months, you havent reached your genetic potential yet. Follow the bulking diet sticky in the diet forum. If you eat like that for a while, you'll make solid gains. Diet and training are more important that what steroids you take!

[dirtyvegas]

when you say anties im assumeing you meann nolva right?

also should i take the nolva while on the 12 week cycle eyery day or after the cycle and if soo how much should i take?

shoul i ever increase the dosage throughout the 12 cycle?

.thanks bro!!

[dirtyvegas]

why test.enanthate there are a few others i just look them up and test.cypionate looks a little better then the other..no flammin ..just curious..i do appreciate your help though.

[dirtyvegas]

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