Why always use test ?

**Dtox** · 05-10-2005, 11:48 PM

Sorry for asking yet another stupid question.
But why do everyone always suggest using test only for a first cycle ?
And why do they always suggest using test with nearly any other steroid .
And why do they flame u and tell u to use this and that when u just expect a simple answer ?

For instsance :

Can I use EQ with Wins

Then they answer : No...thow in some test...or do this do that.
When all they wanted to know is whether they could use those together or not.

Dont flame...this is just a thought.
Been reading lots of posts the last few days and noticed this alot of times.

**wolfyEVH** · 05-10-2005, 11:57 PM

you're a male because of testosterone ........you have a penis and have erections because of testosterone.........you have muscles because of testosterone.......

all steroids suppress your natural testosterone, so without taking test in every cycle, you're not getting the benefits of it.......not to mention it is the most effective mass and strength builder there is........only makes sense to use test in every cycle......

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 12:13 AM

So if you take other droids that suppresses your testosterone and u Dont use test with it.
Does it then mean that its actualy a waste ?
Cause if this is the case then I better get some test

**LD_18** · 05-11-2005, 12:37 AM

test helps u keep more of ur gains, not to mention it keeps ur dick in service if u know what i'm sayin

**dirtyvegas** · 05-11-2005, 12:43 AM

damn im learning soo much form you guys..thanks you...bump!!

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 12:45 AM

Yep...I know what your sayin.

But I've read that EQ actualy helps u keep more gains than most other droids ?

I've used EQ with test before...
Was a very shitty cycle and got advise from the wrong sources.

Was 10ml Test100 and 10ml EQ and 20ml Depotrone

Cant remember how much I injected and how often but it lasted 5 weeks.

In the first four weeks I did not get any wieght gains,strenght or size.
But in the fifth week....(Believe it or not)

Is where I gained 17.6 pounds....I shit u not.
And I actualy started getting realy ripped.
I gained over 2 pounds a day each day in that last week.
The 6th week my gear was finished but I had bad blood pressure and extreme headaches at the back of my head.

Couldnt go to gym for 2 months...

THats why I'm scared of Test....been doing 2 weeks of EQ and Wins now and no sides yet

**AnatomicallyBlessed** · 05-11-2005, 01:03 AM

I was just about to thread a similar question. Anabolics like eq shut you down, right, so what are the pros to adding test, aside from gaining more mass?

**AnatomicallyBlessed** · 05-11-2005, 01:20 AM

Is the idea behind adding test to build up as much mass as possible, so that during pct, when most people lose gains, there is more mass present to combat the losses. In other words, so that you don't end up losing all of your gains?

**rodge** · 05-11-2005, 01:24 AM

i think you should haved researched more before you started the eq and the winny.
but since youve already started i would try to get some test-e or c and start takin it at 500mg ew, drop the winny(save it for future cycle) run the eq at 400mg for at least 12 weeks and the test i week past that.
have you got any anti-e's at hand in case of gyno?
how about pct?

-rodge

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 01:39 AM

Nope.....didnt get any as I'm using EQ and Winny and seems like gyno is very unlikely to occur while on EQ and WINNY

Will have to get some if I get the test though.

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 01:41 AM

I've only got like 14ml of winny left...is it worth saving or should I just finish it now ?

And how long does winny actualy take before it starts kicking in ?
And the EQ takes up to 4 weeks ?

**longhorn814** · 05-11-2005, 06:28 AM

what does this "test less" cycles of yours look like? How much and how long are you taking the Eq and winny? Do you have a PCT planned? Eq needs to be run for a minimum of 12 weeks too

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 07:21 AM

Nope...no PCT what so ever.

50mg Winny ED
100mg EQ EOD

I'm taking the EQ for 16 weeks and the Wins for 6 weeks.

Do u recommend PCT even If I only use these 2 ?

**longhorn814** · 05-11-2005, 07:35 AM

PCT is an absolute must for any cycle!! You need lots of research and you should be taking test too!!! I would stop and learn how to cycle correctly. You mentioned before that you had high blood pressure, you should be aware that Eq increase red blood cell count, which in turn can cause high bp. Since you took test and eq your first cycle, you have no idea which caused it. Take some nolva or arimidex w/ test, it'll reduce any bloat and thus you wont get high blood pressure.

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 07:42 AM

I dunno where to get nolva or arimidex

No-one over here even does PCT after juicing.

What is the going rate normally.

I know about the increasing of Rb cells from EQ but I will get some pills for my high blood pressure.
Thanks for the tips though...
As for the test....I dunno.I just dont like it.
Sounds to risky.
Rather take a chance having less gains and know that I might be a bit safer concerning the gyno.

Although...I might still get it from the Winny.
I'm only taking it for 6 weeks so shouldnt be that bad.

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 07:45 AM

Okay I did some reading on the nolva...but doesnt it have any other side effects ?

The EQ and wins combo should most probably result in no water retention at all ? Or is this not true ?

**superchump** · 05-11-2005, 07:46 AM

done alot of test here but my first cycle was deca and d-bol, anadrol and my weight shot right up. the androgens in 300mg of eq a week and 350mg of winstrol a week are alot more then your body would every produce naturally. testosterone was cool but now i feel embarrassed at myself when i do it and get so bloated/watery looking. some guys like that look and like lots of test. you could try your planned stack there and then do a testosterone cycle after and make up your own mind which look you like better maybe. as far as '' kicking in'' the steroids are working right after you shoot them it just takes a few weeks for you too see it.

**longhorn814** · 05-11-2005, 07:47 AM

You can get nolva, arimidex , clomid from the flashing banner in the upper right hand corner. No one does PCT? Where the hell do you live? You need to learn as much about PCT as possible, it is the most important aspect of taking gear, esp if you want to keep gains and restore your natural test production. You cant get gyno from winny b/c it doesnt aromatize. Eq does, but only to about half of what test does. Youre too paranoid about getting gyno. Some people are very prone to it, but most arent, at least at a normal dose. You need test. No test = no cycle. Test is the only steroid that is actually produced in your body. Wait til your natural test production gets shut down and then you cant get any hard on's b/c you have no test in hour body!!!Winny is probably the worse for your hairline and kills your cholesterol values too!!

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 07:47 AM

Can I get nolva from a pharmacy ?
Or would my only option be buying on line ?

RA · 05-11-2005, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dtox

Can I get nolva from a pharmacy ?
Or would my only option be buying on line ?

upper right hand corner.

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 08:25 AM

Sheesh...didnt think PCT it was that important. but then again research research research.

Okay so lets say I get the Test and drop the winny.

What dosages do I get ?

Have about 20ml of EQ left will get another 30ml (If thats enough ?)
How much test should I get ?

Oh and I'm from South Africa (Big whip dee doo)

How much do u pay for test and EQ over there ?

I payed 62 dollars for 10ml EQ and the Test will be the same price...even cheaper I think

Thats The cheapest u get it for over here.

RA · 05-11-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

i think you should haved researched more before you started the eq and the winny.
but since youve already started i would try to get some test-e or c and start takin it at 500mg ew, drop the winny(save it for future cycle) run the eq at 400mg for at least 12 weeks and the test i week past that.
have you got any anti-e's at hand in case of gyno?
how about pct?

-rodge

Follow this advice.

**Dtox** · 05-11-2005, 09:11 AM

Thanks will use that advice then.

Thanks for all the help guys.

**Big Rig** · 05-11-2005, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by dirtyvegas

damn im learning soo much form you guys..thanks you...bump!!

It's ok to ask questions but....

**Booz** · 05-11-2005, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dtox

Yep...I know what your sayin.

But I've read that EQ actualy helps u keep more gains than most other droids ?

I've used EQ with test before...
Was a very shitty cycle and got advise from the wrong sources.

Was 10ml Test100 and 10ml EQ and 20ml Depotrone

Cant remember how much I injected and how often but it lasted 5 weeks.

In the first four weeks I did not get any wieght gains,strenght or size.
But in the fifth week....(Believe it or not)

Is where I gained 17.6 pounds....I shit u not.
And I actualy started getting realy ripped.
I gained over 2 pounds a day each day in that last week.
The 6th week my gear was finished but I had bad blood pressure and extreme headaches at the back of my head.

Couldnt go to gym for 2 months...

THats why I'm scared of Test....been doing 2 weeks of EQ and Wins now and no sides yet

you didnt c alot of gains because your cycle was whey too short mate!!
the test only hits you properly in week 4-5 the eq takes upto 8 weeks!!!
no test in the cycle no hardons mate,or you will not be able to keep an erection!