Gains after 18 days - Pics

**4spain** · 05-12-2005, 11:02 PM

Started 4/21/05 - 20 week Hgh/Test Cyp cycle, will be taking winny for the 6 weeks. Just fininshed week 3 two days ago, week 4 starts tomorrow.

My goal is to get to where I was 5 years ago 215 10-11%bf

I took some pictures when I first started and here are some current.
Starting stats
4/21/05 - 5'10 210lbs 18.9%bf - 170lbs lean muscle & 40lbs fat
5/12/05 - 215lbs 17%bf 177lbs lean muscle & 38lbs fat

Do you think these are good starting gains for my cutting cycle? Please advise
30 minutes cardio every day, training abs every other day, diet is ok, but getting better. working out 3 on & 1 off

First 2 pictures 4/24 and last 3 pictures 5/12

**lilripped** · 05-12-2005, 11:24 PM

you are off to a good start bro. keep us posted on your results

**MaNofSteeL** · 05-12-2005, 11:31 PM

Good results for only 18days, keep it up.

**juice4life** · 05-12-2005, 11:47 PM

Great looking results from just 3 weeks

**Xe0n** · 05-13-2005, 12:21 AM

Hey bro nice results, you have good pecs, you should look very impressive by the end of this cycle. I don't think your BF checking method is completely accurate either, you don't look 17% bf to me, more like 12-15% IMO.

Cheers

**I-WISH-A-MF-WOULD** · 05-13-2005, 04:10 AM

Outstanding!!!
I would hide my face however.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 05-13-2005, 04:23 AM

looking good bro ...keep up the good work ... yeah i would probably hide the face too ... never know who's watching

**The OutLord** · 05-13-2005, 04:42 AM

Nice.. :->

**Thegr8One** · 05-13-2005, 04:50 AM

keep it up bro

**Seajackal** · 05-13-2005, 06:04 AM

Keep it growing bro!

**Deezuhl** · 05-13-2005, 07:33 AM

nice work. i can tell you 100% that you are no where near 18% bf. I was 17% and know what it looks like and now i am 12% and you look about the same as me. how did you get it measured???

**4spain** · 05-13-2005, 09:14 AM

I had the trainer at pure fitness do it, all he used was the calipers, 4 measurements. Thanks for all the positive feedback. I will be post more pics after the 6 week mark. I check my stats every 3 weeks.

**Deezuhl** · 05-13-2005, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by 4spain

I had the trainer at pure fitness do it, all he used was the calipers, 4 measurements. Thanks for all the positive feedback. I will be post more pics after the 6 week mark. I check my stats every 3 weeks.

sorry bro but there is no way. you can even see some of your abs which is no where near possible at 18.9%. the good news is atleast if the same guy does it and he does it wrong the same way everytime atleast youll know if its decreasing. like the 1.9% you dropped already.

**4spain** · 05-13-2005, 10:09 AM

But people hold fat in different places. My top abs always show even 9 months ago when I was 223 about 23%bf you could see my top two abs. I hold a lot of BF on my sides, back, chest & arms. What is the best way to get it tested?

**Deezuhl** · 05-13-2005, 10:15 AM

I thought the same thing too. my obliques, my lower back, my inner thigh all high in BF but when they use the caliper in like 7 places and use the proper formula cause there is a formula, it is not just an avg of 7 pinches divided up. Mine was done by an ifbb pro and you have to pinch it the right direction on the skin fold and such. I was 26% then 17% and now 12%. You can tell by the face if someone is 18-23%. men hold fat in the face big time.

**4spain** · 05-13-2005, 10:19 AM

Right on. I will get it checked by a second person. thanks

**powerbodybuilder** · 05-13-2005, 01:35 PM

Looking good, Keep it up.

**punchrf** · 05-13-2005, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Fat Mike

I thought the same thing too. my obliques, my lower back, my inner thigh all high in BF but when they use the caliper in like 7 places and use the proper formula cause there is a formula, it is not just an avg of 7 pinches divided up. Mine was done by an ifbb pro and you have to pinch it the right direction on the skin fold and such. I was 26% then 17% and now 12%. You can tell by the face if someone is 18-23%. men hold fat in the face big time.

i definetely hold a lot of fat in the face. i'm at about 15% right now and my face looks rounded out.

**BlInDsIdE** · 05-13-2005, 03:48 PM

lookin good bro keep it up

**phalanx** · 05-13-2005, 03:55 PM

nice work brok keep up the good work looking big

**Deezuhl** · 05-13-2005, 04:20 PM

here is what 26% bf looks like.....

thats me at 26% last year. Talk about a lot of fat in the face!!! this guy is no where near 18.9%.

just some advice too. work on your shoulders and traps to bring them up to par.you got a solid chest, I need to get my chest looking like yours bro. you will make some good progress on this cycle for sure just stick with it.

**4spain** · 05-13-2005, 04:24 PM

Are you the guy in the tank top?

**Deezuhl** · 05-13-2005, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by 4spain

Are you the guy in the tank top?

no i am the fat bastard on the right....

249lbs and 26% bf.

**4spain** · 05-13-2005, 04:39 PM

That is a huge change. Way to go!!!!!! You look more than 26% in that picture. Thanks for the advice, that is actually something I have been focusing on. A buddy of mine gave me the same advise.

**Tanker** · 05-13-2005, 04:44 PM

very nice progress in only 3 weeks wow you should be ripped after your cycle keep it up bro and happy growing

**soo2bhuge** · 05-13-2005, 05:16 PM

looking good bro!

**SensP** · 05-13-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by 4spain

That is a huge change. Way to go!!!!!! You look more than 26% in that picture. Thanks for the advice, that is actually something I have been focusing on. A buddy of mine gave me the same advise.

Yeah, talk about a transformation! Way to go, Mike.

Looking great too, Spain.

**1-Cent** · 05-13-2005, 05:37 PM

damn good lookin chest there, you could really use some traps though

**4spain** · 06-23-2005, 12:01 AM

Sorry it took long to get pictures up, these were taken today.

2 months in & 2 1/2 to go

starting stats 210lbs 18.9%bf

Current stats 221lbs 16%bf

Strength in the last month has gonne through the roof was benching 315 1 to 2 times, now doing 7 to 8 times.

Will be switching in a month from Sust to Prop & adding Winny for last 5 weeks.

**Defconx3** · 06-23-2005, 12:06 AM

Wow, way to go man, you look WAY thicker then before. You are comming along very nicely.

**bor** · 06-23-2005, 03:22 AM

D@mn that is some AMAZING progress bro, keep it up!!!!

**bor** · 06-23-2005, 03:23 AM

How does your cycle look exactly?

**crizoc** · 06-23-2005, 05:50 AM

DAMN LOOK HOW THE TRAPS BULGED UP! awe-some

**arxg** · 06-23-2005, 05:59 AM

looking great , your chest is gonna be awesome

**co2boi** · 06-23-2005, 06:09 AM

Great progress bro, looking swole. If you could get down to 10 - 11% bf you'd look sick!!

**rankin** · 06-23-2005, 06:38 AM

4Spain can you post your cycle for me?

thanks

**Dave321** · 06-23-2005, 06:41 AM

looked stacked.... only missing one thing... how are the wheels?

**BIGPAPAPUMP77** · 06-23-2005, 06:45 AM

keep up the good work......looks like great results

**sceptic** · 06-23-2005, 06:51 AM

Mmmmm....I dont wish to discourage you but given that you're goal is to cut significant fat I'd say you need to sort your diet. You havent said what it is but diet is ALWAYS the key to significant changes in body composition. Strength increases will come from the water retention from the gear, which will be increased further with a diet high in sodium. This is not strength or weight which you will hold when you come off. Cardio is fine but if I was you, I'd seek some advice on diet. Good luck.

**4spain** · 06-23-2005, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by sceptic

Mmmmm....I dont wish to discourage you but given that you're goal is to cut significant fat I'd say you need to sort your diet. You havent said what it is but diet is ALWAYS the key to significant changes in body composition. Strength increases will come from the water retention from the gear, which will be increased further with a diet high in sodium. This is not strength or weight which you will hold when you come off. Cardio is fine but if I was you, I'd seek some advice on diet. Good luck.

I know, I decided bulking up a little would help me out with what I wanted. I will kicking up the cardio and cleaning up my diet these last couple of months.
Also switching off of Sust to Prop I will be adding Winny for last 5 weeks, which will help even more with water retention. Diet is hard for me to put in check 100%, because of work.

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