ULTIMATE Newbie CYCLES!

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:04 PM

CYCLE #1

TEST Enanthate for 10 WEEKS. 250mgs TWICE a week. (or 500mgs once)
OR:
TEST Prop for 8-10 Weeks, 50-75Mg ED. Have nolva on hand, use 20mg ED ONLY if signs of gyno begin. Carry out normal PCT with Clomid. 300,100,50.

Cycle# 2

Anavar ONLY for 8 weeks. 40mgs ED. NO NEED for Clomid PCT. Clomid itself causes more sides than Var, so only use if your dosage exceeds 40mgs for over an 8-10 week period. Then, use of Clomid is justified. In OUR case, Tribex or Tribestan for 8 weeks should be sufficient. You may also use Eurycoma Longifolia(Tongkat Ali), which is also REMARKABLE for endoegenous test production!

Cycle #3

LOW DOSE D-bol!! (or simply use T-bol at normal doses instead). EVERY OLD SCHOOLER knows how potent Methandrostenelone is. MG for MG--it is more anabolic than EVEN the KING--TEST. Therefore, in dosages as low as 10mgs, gains in lean mass can be made with minimal water retention. Dianabol, contary to POPULAR OPINION--does NOT AROMATIZE EASILY--Rather, it converts to a MORE POTENT and more active estrogen in the body known as METHYLESTRADIOL. This is why estrogen related sides are very common with Dianabol. However, these sides can be alleviated altogether by running a LOW DOSE Dianabol cycle for 6 weeks. I would begin with 10mgs the 1st weeek, and up it to 15 when you feel comfortable. If you are still expereincing no sides at 3 weeks, you may up the dosage to 20mgs. I HOWEVER do not reccomend EXCEEDING 15mgs PER DAY (NEWBIES ONLY!), without having ARIMIDEX on hand. Dianabol used in conjunction with Arimi, is known as the POOR MANS ANAVAR.

Cycle #4

LOW DOSE Primobolan. 400mgs for 10 weeks. NO NEED to even explain Primo, right? Very mild, but effective ANABOLIC--mg for mg, only slightly less potent than Deca Durabolin. VERY LIGHT ON HPTA, does not CONVERT to ESTROGEN or DHT.

And these are the most effective Beginner Cycles. One may also OPT TO STACK VAR/PRIMO, or later on PRIMO/LOW DOSE DBOL. Or even, TEST,VAR, or TEST, PRIMO. These are all pretty safe cycles. BUT FOR A 1st CYCLE--only so that one can assess their individual TOLERANCE to these compounds, THESE should be their choices.

**Thegr8One** · 05-20-2005, 03:06 PM

bro you are the ultimate dumb ass

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:08 PM

Do you CONCUR? Is there anything I said that is wrong? Look at the 1st 2 cycles...TEST E and TEST P--so don't go there. Don;t HIJACK THIS THREAD AGAIN.

**Thegr8One** · 05-20-2005, 03:12 PM

i do pretty much what i want
but steering newbs toward oral only cycles
is wrong they need a propper start into steroid use
not some hack oral only and primo jobber

**Big Vick** · 05-20-2005, 03:14 PM

Mr Controversy...

You ever try running that "low dose dbol" while cutting??? How did it work out for you???

Would love to save cash if it actually is the "poor mans anavar"

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Thegr8One

i do pretty much what i want
but steering newbs toward oral only cycles
is wrong they need a propper start into steroid use
not some hack oral only and primo jobber

3 INJECTABLE cycles....

2 ORAL cycles....

Stop POKING HOLES....

NEWBIES...make sure to have some MILK THRISTLE....but at my dosages, in the durations I recommended, you should be ok guys.

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheMindOfRoss

3 INJECTABLE cycles....

2 ORAL cycles....

Stop POKING HOLES....

NEWBIES...make sure to have some MILK THRISTLE....but at my dosages, in the durations I recommended, you should be ok guys.

My BEST friend is running a POOR MANS ANAVAR cycle right now. He is on week 4, up 8lbs, NO WATER, and at around 7%BF. This is on BELOW Maintenance/Maintenace calories. Just make sure you have ARIMIDEX--this is a very important variable.

**Thegr8One** · 05-20-2005, 03:18 PM

**Big Vick** · 05-20-2005, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by TheMindOfRoss

My BEST friend is running a POOR MANS ANAVAR cycle right now. He is on week 4, up 8lbs, NO WATER, and at around 7%BF. This is on BELOW Maintenance/Maintenace calories. Just make sure you have ARIMIDEX--this is a very important variable.

I thought i wasn't supposed to hold water at that low of a dose??? Whats the dex for then??? Just in case water comes???

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:24 PM

ABSOLUTELY! Although the conversion will be drastically minimized, we can not take chances--after all, this is supposed to be VAR-like in effect, not simply a MILDER Dianabol, which is what 10mgs of d-bol is.

Low-dose Dianabol and ARIMIDEX. This is the poor man's anavar.

Low-dose Dianabol...this is simply LOW DOSE DIanabol...hehe...but it works!

RA · 05-20-2005, 03:35 PM

newbs

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 03:38 PM

Roid Attack....what was your 1st cycle bro?

RA · 05-20-2005, 03:57 PM

Sus 10wks. Made the mistake of doing it once per week. Gained 25 but had bad sides from not doing eod.

**100m champ** · 05-20-2005, 04:11 PM

So your saying var at 40mg 8wk or less.. does not need clomid for pcp..But trib would be good enough for that cycle.. Because im thinking about going on a cycle of var, 8wks at 30-40mg

**Streitingen** · 05-20-2005, 04:13 PM

This is dangerous... I almost started to believe this guy TheMindOfRoss.

Is all of this just made up? I dont think there is much evidence in his statements. I'm a newbie myself, but this looks strange or what? Everytime I have asked questions about beginner cycles, the answer is "...use test..."

If its true, I will pop my stuff next week

**SwoleCat** · 05-20-2005, 04:14 PM

This is where the stupid advice begins to potentially harm people.

To cover your (__!__), you would use the PROPER post-cycle ancillaries.

Why play if you are going to try something that is "supposed" to be "good enough".

And, if it's not? Then where does that leave you?

Pre-caution and safety should always be #1.

~SC~

**Stumbo** · 05-20-2005, 04:15 PM

Thats all silly.

I wasted my time with the winny only, the dbol only, m1t, and the $300 var only cycles.

Wish I would have just done a 12 week test cycle instead of wasting all the money and time on the other stuff.

BG · 05-20-2005, 04:20 PM

Swole you got any good pics of yourself??You look sic bro!!!What are your stats if you dont mind??

**100m champ** · 05-20-2005, 04:21 PM

If someone were to use clomid.. Would 50mg for 2 weeks be good

RA · 05-20-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

This is dangerous... I almost started to believe this guy TheMindOfRoss.

Is all of this just made up? I dont think there is much evidence in his statements. I'm a newbie myself, but this looks strange or what? Everytime I have asked questions about beginner cycles, the answer is "...use test..."

If its true, I will pop my stuff next week

Do some research first and dont listen to ross.

**SwoleCat** · 05-20-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by JUSTSTARTINGNY

Swole you got any good pics of yourself??You look sic bro!!!What are your stats if you dont mind??

www.vizualxcellence.com under "photos".

6'1", 230 in those pics.

I am 260 right now.

~SC~

RA · 05-20-2005, 04:24 PM

Thats who I would listen to. Beefy sob.

**Streitingen** · 05-20-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Stumbo

Thats all silly.

I wasted my time with the winny only, the dbol only, m1t, and the $300 var only cycles.

Wish I would have just done a 12 week test cycle instead of wasting all the money and time on the other stuff.

I see your point of advice (hope this is good english, Im from Norway)... Whats the next alternative down the diagram if you enable some side effect and the potensial of loosing gains. Sorry I've to ask, I'm not convinced that test is the best choice for me yet. But I'll take the flamming, because I've never done a cycle before

I'll do it right the first time.

**Streitingen** · 05-20-2005, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Do some research first and dont listen to ross.

thx... researching now

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Sus 10wks. Made the mistake of doing it once per week. Gained 25 but had bad sides from not doing eod.

Good shit! Sustanon can also be used in place of either Enanthate or Propionate.

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:40 PM

PCT IS ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY! DON'T TWIST MY WORDS.

Stop POKING holes...

CLOMID, in my opinion, is harsh, and should ONLY be used when NECCESSARY--that is for safety!

TRIBULUIS, containing 20% PROTODIOCIN is very safe and effective...

USE CLOMID...I have done so...

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:41 PM

for VAR...at 20-30mgs, 4-8 weeks...CLOMID is not ALWAYS neccessary...you can use it however.

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:41 PM

As I stated in the ULTIMATE NEWBIE CYCLE #1--any cycle containing test must be carried out with FULL PCT, including Anti-E's!

RA · 05-20-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheMindOfRoss

Good shit! Sustanon can also be used in place of either Enanthate or Propionate.

Wow, next your going to tell me the earth is round.

**SwoleCat** · 05-20-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheMindOfRoss

for VAR...at 20-30mgs, 4-8 weeks...CLOMID is not ALWAYS neccessary...you can use it however.

A far cry from your previously stated "NOT NEEDED".

You're either on one side of the fence, or not. If not, no need for these half-assed wanna be instructional threads.

~SC~

**SwoleCat** · 05-20-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Wow, next your going to tell me the earth is round.

It is???

WTF?????????

~SC~

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

A far cry from your previously stated "NOT NEEDED".

You're either on one side of the fence, or not. If not, no need for these half-assed wanna be instructional threads.

~SC~

Poke, Poke, Poke.....Poke .. Poke. Poke..

lol...This was a good thread. And SWOLE--would you not agree with the cycles I indicated?

RA · 05-20-2005, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

It is???

WTF?????????

~SC~

**SwoleCat** · 05-20-2005, 04:47 PM

I don't give AAS advice directly and on message boards, that is not part of what I do. As well, I have a disclaimer in my auto-signature. I do however moderate posts that are made on this board as part of my job, as I am knowledgable on the subject of AAS.

The "poking" is because your threads are mis-leading and could really f*ck up someone who is new. We may not wish to have your "advice" at this location, and that is only something that will be decided by those who have the authority to do so.

~SC~

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:54 PM

WHY GET RID of me? AM I A THREAT?

If I am simply WRONG--then there should be NO NEED to BAN me...EVERYONE wil KNOW that I am nuts, based on the TRUTH. Right? Just let me be wrong...and allow me to POST MY OPINIONS that I HAVE AT LEAST PROVED WORKED FOR ME! (Look at pics) I am not SWOELCAT, but at least I am TRYING.

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 04:56 PM

ALSO--I like to encourage the FREE-FLOW of NEW ideas....there are only things to be learned from debate...I mean cmon...AFTER ALL OF THIS--EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW--EXACTLY WHY it is--THAT TEST IS BEST FOR EVERY CYCLE!!

RA · 05-20-2005, 04:58 PM

thEN wHY do YOU TYPE LIKE tHIS ALL tHE tiME?

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

thEN wHY do YOU TYPE LIKE tHIS ALL tHE tiME?

Because I am a very SELF-AWARE person. In a LIVE conversation, I am very aware of how I PRESENT my ideas to other people. Some words and phrases require additional EMPHASIS, which, unfortunately due to my limited ability to express myself via the internet, can only be done by OCCASSIONALLY using CAPS LOCK.

**TheMindOfRoss** · 05-20-2005, 05:02 PM

my IQ is over 180....I am super-genius...Muahahahaha

RA · 05-20-2005, 05:09 PM

Yep and I can bench 1,000 lbs.

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