I'm ending week 4 of my first cycle and I really haven't seen any results yet. I'm a tiny bit stronger, but I don't feel like the gear has anything to do with it. I'm using organon sust 500mg week, and tt eq 400mg week. In 2 weeks I'll be adding 50 mg winny for 6 weeks. I know that it takes a while for sust and eq to kick in, but shouldn't I be seeing something by now? My diet and training and rest have been pretty good.