Help... First Cycle

[Mercenary10]

I am 23 and have been lifting for approx 5 years now. I have finally made the decision to use steroids. I am 6ft tall and wiegh 205lbs and I am not sure about my bf%. I am currently working in Iraq and can basically walk into a pharmacy and buy anything I want. I purchased Test Enanthate, Deca Durabolin, and Clomid. Can someone help me on the amount of Test and Deca I should inject weekly? I have read so many different things from different sources, I just wanted to get some more info. Also, the pharmacy here doesn't sale Nolvadex. Will Clomid therapy be enough? Thanks... I would really appreciate any feedback.

Merc

[JohnnyB]

Do 500mg of test enan for 10-12 week, eat 400mg of protein. Wait 12 weeks after your finish pct. Then do a test/deca cycle. If your gains stop add more calories to your diet

JohnnyB

[Mercenary10]

Is it okay to start 500mg Test per week even though I only have Clomid, and no Nolvadex? Also, should I take 500mg of Test the entire cycle, or should I taper down the last two weeks? Thanks for the help.

[asymmetrical1]

Do 500mg of test enan for 10-12 week, eat 400mg of protein. Wait 12 weeks after your finish pct. Then do a test/deca cycle. If your gains stop add more calories to your diet

JohnnyB

and there you have it...

[BIGPAPAPUMP77]

and there you have it...

nail on the head...exactly...nuff said

[CAUSASIAN]

Do 500mg of test enan for 10-12 week, eat 400mg of protein. Wait 12 weeks after your finish pct. Then do a test/deca cycle. If your gains stop add more calories to your diet

JohnnyB

So 500mg of Test for 10 to 12 weeks, would be giving good results for a first cycle?

[Booz]

So 500mg of Test for 10 to 12 weeks, would be giving good results for a first cycle?

yes mate

[Gizmo]

Clomid is an anti-e although not as strong as Nolva...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

Giz

[bolin]

when you take test you always have to have nolvadex on hand because of gyno..... start taking 10mg of nolva when you have your first shot....IMO

[forsz]

I don't have 1st-hand experience; but i'll try to help with the unanswered Qs ( i agree with johnnyB's answer on the cycle) by giving a consensus of the info i've gained on these boards and from med articles. U can spend ur life researching and u still won't find a strong consensus on PCT and Ancillaries. But, yes, the clomid will be enuf if that's all u have. Most people use a combo of 2 or more drugs. It would b great if u could get HCG. But in all my reading it seems to me that if u could chose ONLY 1 drug for PCT and to treat gyno, then Clomid would prob be the 1. Gyno seems unusual at under 500Mg/week , but it happens to some. U prob could get good cycle results at 400/wk or MAYBE even 300/wk. Make sure u have enuf ( read profiles for dosage ) Clomid for problems and to last a long PCT, if nec !! U should not taper the Test. In fact, many will say to switch to Test Propionate ( a shorter ester) near the end so u can immediately start PCT when the test effect suddenly drops. Since u only have Test E (a good choice); it's prob best to start pyramiding (start with low dose and build) clomid at about 1 week after last test shot. Many may attack this and say u should wait 2 weeks (or whatever), but consider that people DO use nolva and or clomid ( i believe ) DURING their cycles. Good Luck

[Mercenary10]

Thanks for the info Forsz. Your last sentence raised a question. You mentioned that some people use clomid DURING their cycles. I wasn't aware that clomid could be taken during a cycle to prevent gyno. Is this true? Anybody have any info on this. I'm asking b/c all they have where I'm at is clomid and there is no way I can get nolva.

[Swifto]

Thanks for the info Forsz. Your last sentence raised a question. You mentioned that some people use clomid DURING their cycles. I wasn't aware that clomid could be taken during a cycle to prevent gyno. Is this true? Anybody have any info on this. I'm asking b/c all they have where I'm at is clomid and there is no way I can get nolva.

I have never read anything proving Clomid prevent's gyno. It's not an Anti-e. Correct me if I'm wrong....


If you cannot get hold of Nolva you have no way of stopping/reducing the cances of gyno whilst on your cycle. You have no way of combating it, which is very risky as it can get worse as you go on.

Gyno is very easy to prevent, but more difficult to treat.

Can you not get hold of some Arimidex, Proviron or Letro

[Booz]

clomid is for post cycle therapy,not used durin,nolvadex is also known as tamoxifen mate maybe they have this in iraq?

[Heracles74]

clomid is for post cycle therapy,not used durin,nolvadex is also known as tamoxifen mate maybe they have this in iraq?

excellent point ! try asking for tamoxifen

good luck bro!

[Mercenary10]

Thanks for the help swifto and booz. I will check the pharmacy for the other anti-e's.

[ant_8u]

Yes, Clomid can be used as an anti estrogen

It's a weak synthetic estrogen

It binds to the estrogen receptor, blocking out your aromatised steroids

Clomid is a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator)

Check out the post by LuvMuhRoids in the PCT forum

Its a sticky at the top of the page, entitled SERM/AI Definition

Happy reading

[forsz]

I agree with all the later replies. Nolva and clomid r both anti-E's. I wasn't sure if clomid is used DURING -- which is why i wrote "( i believe )" after the word clomid. Good thinking, booz, in providing generic name. I incorrectly assumed he had that base covered.