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    need help, 22 yearold friend want to start his first cycle

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    An old friend just got out the military, he did 3 years at the 101 airborn... this is the first guy that I started working out with when we were 16 and he has, as most MPs, trained... he also fights pro

    He is:
    5'5"
    160 pounds
    average BF (I told him to get it tested I think its around 10-12%)

    He wants to bulk up first. He has not used aas before, I thought a good goal would be 30-40 pounds (shot for the stars)...

    I was thinking 10 week cycle

    250mg test EW weeks 1-10
    25mg dbol ED weeks 1-10

    nolv on hand, all the goodes for post cycle recovery and on cycle preventions...

    Should the test be upped?
    is tren a good option?

    any advice is greatly appreciated, thanks in advance...

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    if the goal is 30-40 pounds then i'd suggest more than 450mg/wk of total steroids .

    if he's a pro fighter i'm assuming he already has an awesome natural muscle base to start with, so i'll keep the doses a bit light for the 30-40lb goal.
    try this:

    400-500mg/wk test propionate 8 weeks
    40mg/day tren 8 wks
    25mg/day dbol 8 wks
    100mg/day clomid wks 9-11
    the above will require ed injections. if that's not appealing then try this:

    400-500mg/wk test enanthate 10 weeks
    400mg/wk eq 10 weeks
    25mg/wk dbol wks 6-12
    100mg/day clomid wks 13-15
    Last edited by Dr.Evil; 04-19-2002 at 12:01 PM.

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    yeap the test needs to be upped
    500mgs is much better

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    Dr. Evil, when you say 100mg/day clomid for weeks 13-15 is that a better way of taking it? Apposed to the 300mg day one, 100mg 10 days and then finish with 50mg 10 days. Which works better???

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    Terinox, though many believe to take 300mgs first day, I dont, because Dr. Evil has said its a waste and liver toxic I believe.

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    i never said clomid is liver toxic and don't believe it is.

    from my experiences, i gained no benefit from 300mg/day on the first day. as long as the estrogen is kept at bay throughout the cycle then 100mg/day throughout the clomid therapy is enough to saturate the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus.

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    sorry Doc Evil, it guess it was someone else that said it was liver toxic.

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    no prob

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    but that woudl indicate that you were taking an antiestrogen during the cycle, like arimdex - otherwise, I am not sure that the estrogen levels would be at bay

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    Originally posted by CYCLEON
    but that woudl indicate that you were taking an antiestrogen during the cycle, like arimdex - otherwise, I am not sure that the estrogen levels would be at bay
    very true.

    300mg on day 1 may be in order if he does not take any anti-e during the cycle.

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