Hey Guys..help Me Out Here!!!!!

[bolin]

Hey guys I REALLY need your HELP......... I am currently in my 5th week of my cycle that consists of

Test E 1-12
Deca 1-10
Winstrol 6-12
Clen 6-14
T3 6-12

I have bad ACNE on my chest and I went to my doc and he gave me some Antibiotics (Dalacin C) and told me that if they are not better in 3 weeks you will have to start to take RAW ACCUTANE.......... He told me that he would first need to make some king of blood test....

Q 1. WIll he know, fromt the blood test, that I am taking steroids ????
Q 2. If I take accutane while I am on my cycle, will the Accutane take affect or NOT????


PLEASE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING REPLY!!!!!!

Thank you

[Tazwell]

accutane- my brother took it. he had horrible acne man, actually he was freakin scary (and this is my bro i talk about). after he took it he broke out realy, realy, bad, bad for 2 weaks. then cleared up. now, he has a spotless face..
my opinion - it is strong medacine, try using noxzema on your chest before you go that way, but it will probably work

[bolin]

Thanks man.... I know it is good but I want someone to answer my 2 question pls

[Tazwell]

Thanks man.... I know it is good but I want someone to answer my 2 question pls

yea, i guese my brother was just bull shitting.

here's your bump

[bolin]

I Cant undesrtand what you are saying, sorry, I know you told me that the accutane worked on your bro..... but did he take accutane on a cycle cause that is what I am asking

[Farhan]

buy some teatree body wash, buy a lufa brush and scub in the shower

also start to tan bro
this will all help
and make sure u drink 2-4 liters of water perday
good luck

[Live4thePump]

I'm not sure about the blood test. I doubt the doc would find anything unless he was specifically looking for it. Also, I heard it was dangerous to take accutane while on juice because of liver damage.

[bolin]

I will not be taking oral steroid .... only injecables so no liver damage from steroids .....
I take a lot of water..... this thing cannot be cured unless I have some king of antibiotic like Accutane cause its pretty rough

ANY OTHER OPINIONS PLEASE?

[donmega]

Yeah I had acne BAD when I was around 17, it came out of no where. Had tons of prescription and stuff but heres whats worked and seems to still work to a degree.

Im 25 and still get some breakouts, usally nuthing bad but I have more acne then most of my 25 yr old friends still.

a # ****in 1 , Take 2 showers a day, this is EXTREMELY important and will offer up the most results

2- Use IVORY soap, your probably a little greasy **** like myself and Ivory will dry out my gf but works perfect for me.

3- Use a washcloth in shower, this took a while for me since I normally didnt use anything but its essential to get the dead skin off.

4- Dont pop any pimples no matter how bad unless you plan to get right into the shower. I noticed if I pop any then didnt take a shower they would just come back, if I take a shower its gauranteed gone. This also is a bitch because for some odd reason my gf always wants to **** with the blackheads on my back when im sitting with my shirt off.

5- try to stay away from most acne products on the market like those pads and such, most of those are garbage and will only make the sitution worse. Even your doctor will tell you a shower is 100 times better.

6- shower after workout or if your even outside in 100 degree weather and just work up a big nasty sweat from standing there.

7- Drink lots of water and lemons. This helps to flush the kindeys since thats where you get all the toxins that cause most acne in the first place.

8- Go tanning, this really does work wonders, you would think because you work up a sweat it would only make it worse and because your tanning your just hiding them but it really does clear up your skin. I think its because its drys the skin out. I fake n bake, I think doing it that way works better then natural sun.

I cant possibly make the point of all the showers any stronger, if your skin is clean then you wont break out, plain and simple.
Blackheads come from shit building up in your pores this is where showers with the washcloth help.
Sweatpimples come from sweat in the skin and drinking the water will help prevent these, showering often will help to keep them dryed out while cutting the oil in the skin to a minimum thanks to the Ivory soap and make them heal faster instead of getting bigger.
The big nasty puss filled pimples are a combination of above, they start from the oils in your skin then get worse from whats on top of the skin.

[bolin]

Hey mate..... Thanks for your post.... I will start showering 2 times and buy that ivory soap too. But If that does not work and my doctor tells me to start accutane.... What do I do??? since that I am on a cycle

[donmega]

For one if you do everything I posted it will work and you will notice in 1 week.

For 2, you need to ask your doctor more q's, do you have acne or some of the more severe skin infections ( I had actualy acne and skin infections, thats the severe looking acne shit)

If its infections of the skin (not as bad or gross as it sounds its just really bad acne) then go for the doctor recomended treatment.

If not you need to stick with what i posted above.

If your doctor wants to run the test big whoopidooo, what r you afraid he will tell your mom ?

The worst he will say is that the roids are some of the cause of it (which im sure they are) He cant call the cops on you or call your job or anything, its all leagal confientiality mumbo jumbo.

Doctors can only do that without getting ass raped by your lawyers when you have HIV or AIDS.

[donmega]

Oh yeah and your doctor should know about the roids anyway, he's your damn doctor and needs to know those things.

Picture you have diabetes, how important is it that your doctor knows that ? Yeah same here, its pretty damn important.

If anything ever happens to you then your doctor should know everything about you in case he gets ready to out something in you and you say "OK" and then hes like "Uh O hes going into cardiac arrest and I have no ****in clue why".

Sorry for the ramble man, just tell him and get it over with.

[bolin]

I have an INFECTION..... So that why I think that the only option is accutane (thats what the doctor said too) I want to know If I take accutane will they work even though I AM ON CYCLE or should I stop the cycle????

[donmega]

Ask the DOC man,

Dont trust anyones half assed magic 8 ball style opinions on that shit here, only your doc probably knows that one.

[bolin]

I guess you a right man but the doc will surely say that they are bad and £%$@& like that..... but I am on a cycle and am leaning out quiet good!! but still if I have to stop my cycle I will

[donmega]

Tell him how far in you are, how far to go till cycle end, that youll never use again, blah blah. You know its like being grilled by your dad @ age 25 or whatever. Dont sweat it. Im sure he see's lot of drug addicts or some anyway and is probably used to it by now.
Just make it clear your not an addict, your shit is clean, and you buy new needles and properly dispose of them. Thats all they really wanna hear anyway.

[goldenFloyd]

you won't have to stop your cycle if you are using injectables. he will take a blood test that looks for your liver inflammation values. he will probably start you out on 40mg (1 pill) per day, working up to 2 if you have moderate acne and depending on your response. he cannot tell if you are on cycle by looking at the lipid profile (cholesterol) and blood panel (ALT, AST, liver inflammation). Everyone reacts differently to accutane. personally, I get very little sides besides the clear skin. Maybe some muscle pain (it doesn't "dry out" your joints I was told by the dermo... just muscle aching sometimes). you should be good to go if all you are concerned about is whether your doc will know and whether you'll have to stop your cycle. Just be safe - if the doc asks why your values are elevated, it probably isn't a good time to be making up stories. Depending on your doctor and your insurance provider, they may have serious incentives to talk you out of your cycle and make you go through a lot of stuff that another doctor in another position might not. A little liver inflammation is nothing to be too concerned about - your doctor will tell you when it gets out of hand. good luck and don't freak out.

[goldenFloyd]

ps, I am on an ORAL AAS (among other things AAS and non-AAS) and on ACCUTANE and my liver values are within normal range:

06/12/05 ALT: 28 -< 36 (PERFECT-O)
05/13/05 ALT: 38 -< 36 (SLIGHTLY ELEVATED)
04/15/05 ALT: 37 -< 36 (SLIGHTLY ELEVATED)

People with liver disease get 3 digit numbers for ALT. My dermo joked that he and his med buddies would work hard on trying to get their ALT as high as possible (binge drinking). Not to make light of the situation because everyone reacts differently to these things (who knows, maybe you have liver problems in your family)... but accutane isn't necessarily the death knell for a cycle. That said, you should always cycle ONLY when you have everything together (anti-es, PCT, etc) so if something unforeseen like this comes up, you can deal with it accordingly. This is your health, after all.

[bolin]

HEY golden Floyd..... you say you are on accutane an still on AAS but is your acne going away or not????!! I Guess it is......... Cause there are rumours that AAS dont let Antibiotics work!!!

[bolin]

Any oher experiences PLEASE??!

[goldenFloyd]

Accutane is not an anti-biotic bro. Yes, my acne is all gone. It helps to know the basics of what makes your skin break-out.

Why You Get ACNE

1) Excess Oil Production: My understanding is that your body's pores produce sebum (the slick grease that comes out of your pores). The more sebum you produce, the more likely you are to get clogged pores and develop an any one of several types of "infections" - acne, whitehead, blackhead, cystic acne, etc.

2) p. acnes bacteria: This infection is caused by bacteria getting in the pore and, with the sebum, clogging the shit out of it. Sebum has the effect of trapping outside dirt and bacteria in the pore - if it sits in the pore too long it will develop the aforementioned infection.

3) clogged skin pores: 3 = 1 + 2, from above.

4) Inflammation: inflammation causes the buildup of under-the-skin puss that results in a whitehead with a red ring around it. This is to be compared with a blackhead where it is just an open pore packed with dirt and other shit (basically not infected or inflamed).

ACNE while Cycling

Now, your body produces more sebum (everyone is different) with increased hormone levels (testosterone ) and the time you are "most susceptible" is when your body is fluctuating in it hormones - beginning of the cycle when you ramp up (like going through puberty) and the end of the cycle while you are doing PCT to come down and try to maintain a steady level of hormones in your system. People who run accutane through their cycle and not through their PCT will oftentimes see a recurrence of the acne as a result of their still fluctuating hormone levels. Knowing this and knowing that a doctor prescribed regimen on accutane lasts 4-6 months, people with acne problems plan their cycles accordingly.

Most Common Types of Prescribed Medicines

Antibiotics - the "cyclines" family of drugs - monocycline, doxcycline (effective against inflammatory acne), tetracycline (the others are considered derivatives of tetracycline). are antibiotics and fight against the bacterial infection of the pore.

Accutane, isotretinoin, is not an anti-biotic: it is a massive dose of concentrated synthetic Vitamin A and belongs to the retinoid family of acne remedies. It actually attacks all four of the causes of acne above - reducing sebum production, unclogging pores, reducing inflammation, and fighting the p. acnes bacteria. This is the reason that you get really really dry on accutane and not on antibiotics - two seperate mechanisms for fighting acne.

Topical Anti-microbials: topical solutions that are like antibiotics, attacking the proliferation of P. Acnes. You may have seen names like Clindamycin, Benzoyl Peroxide (no need for prescription in US), Azelaic acid, Erythromycin, or sodium sulfacetamide.

Topical Retinoids: think of these like topical accutane, but much much less effective in treating severe acne. To the best of my knowledge these fight to unclog pores, attack P. acnes, and prevent inflammation, but not the production of sebum, which requires an internal remedy like Accutane. Still, these seem to work for a lot of people, but not as handy as popping 1 or 2 pills a day. You may have seen brand names like Adapalene, Tazarotene, or Tretinoin.

A Homebrew Method

Incidentally, you will read people saying that putting dishwashing fluid on the acne seems to "dry it out" - well, it is kind of funny but logical when you think about it - "dawn cuts the grease" and "antibacterial" are a double-pronged attack against clogged pores. My theory is that the "cutting grease" agent used in those dishwashing soaps polarizes the grease and push it out of your pores while the antibacterial property of the soap works to kill the bacteria that would result in an infection if it clogged the open pores. Most people I have read about find success with this on their body - back and chest - but I have never tried it. It might be a nice homebrew method without the liver or other accutane risks though and worth investigating if you have the time.

Personal Opinions

Anyway, to answer, accutane absolutely works against acne. You have to be ready to deal with the sides of a lot of dryness, possible reduced vision during nighttime, possible depression (horseshit in my opinion - a politician's son committed suicide while on accutane and it now has this "mysterious" depression effect - the result of political lobbying to save face, no doubt), possible muscle aches, and.... oh yea, NO ACNE.

If you have any more concerns about accutane or fighting acne in general, ask away, I consider myself a veteran of keeping the skin clean.

Also, do research on www.acne.org. I've never tried ProActiv (I think they may be a sponsor of that site), but the information posted there is real and informative. Another good site is: http://www.skincarephysicians.com/acnenet/index.html

Dude, this will not make or break your cycle in my opinion. If you have a skin problem that is getting out of hand and not responding to doctor prescribed remedies, get on the accutane and keep pumpin and shooting. When faced with a cycle impacting conundrum, it is always useful to remember that a vast majority of your gains are made at the dining table, in bed, and with your intensity in the gym - all elements that remain 100% under your control. GOOD LUCK.

[goldenFloyd]

bump

[bolin]

oooooo man!! now thats a useful £^$@! post.....
Thanks bro......
Next week I will go to my doc and start taking accutane cause with the other antibiotics they are not healing up......]

Thanks again!