How often do I inject sustanon?

[burning]

1) How often do I inject sustanon P/W?

2) Would nolva (10mg) need to be use simultaniously?

Ill be using -

Sustanon 500mg P/W 1-10
D-bol 30mg P/D 1-4
Nolva when required
Clomid PCT

Thanks

[burning]

Can I get away with once per week? Thanks

[lucabratzi]

most people would say its best to shoot it eod to make full use of the prop in it. but u can get away with 2 times a week. u can run the nolva with it to prevent and gyno from starting. but u dont have to run it.

[thejuiceisloose]

1) sus if youre doing 500mg/wk either EOD or 2 a week

2)yes

3) nolva is required personally, clomid and nolva in PCT
~theJuice~

[Killer Bulk]

what does eod mean?

[thejuiceisloose]

what does eod mean?

every other day

~theJuice~

[burning]

Is 10mg nolva enough a day for most when looking at this cycle? My nolva costs alot, thats the only bummer.

[thejuiceisloose]

yes, but some people need a little more than others.
Did you check out our sponsor for the liquid nolva, it's a pretty good price.

~theJuice~

[lucabratzi]

10mg ed is enough but u might wanna bump it up during pct.

[Killer Bulk]

oh

Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way

[burning]

No havent done yet, is that the tax... or something

[thejuiceisloose]

yeah stop the dbol you should only run it for 4 weeks not 8.
how many mg's of deca are you using in one week?
post your cycle, but I suggest in a different thread since this is the other bro's thread.

~theJuice~

[burning]

oh

Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way

How about your own post, thanks bro

Thanks for the help so far guys, looking forward to starting my cycle,

Any one know if needles and syringes can be bought from your pharmacies without question?, (uk)

[lucabratzi]

oh

Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way

hijacked

[thejuiceisloose]

No havent done yet, is that the tax... or something

yes it's tamox

~theJuice~

[thejuiceisloose]

hijacked

lol

~theJuice~

[burning]

Gunna have a look for the tamox, any idea roughly how many nolva 20 mgs there are to a bottle? thanks

[Killer Bulk]

i dont think the bro minds. IF U DO IM SORRY BRO im new to this so i dont hav a clue how to post LOL.

SO I SHOULD HAV TOOK 400 TABS OF D/BOL OVER 4 WEEKS UR SAYIN.
IM USING 2 ML OF DECA AND 1 ML OF SUS EVERY WEEK. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY ML IS MG'S

[thejuiceisloose]

Gunna have a look for the tamox, any idea roughly how many nolva 20 mgs there are to a bottle? thanks

one bottle is enough bro

~theJuice~

[thejuiceisloose]

i dont think the bro minds. IF U DO IM SORRY BRO im new to this so i dont hav a clue how to post LOL.

SO I SHOULD HAV TOOK 400 TABS OF D/BOL OVER 4 WEEKS UR SAYIN.
IM USING 2 ML OF DECA AND 1 ML OF SUS EVERY WEEK. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY ML IS MG'S

I think he does

How about your own post, thanks bro

Thanks for the help so far guys, looking forward to starting my cycle,

Any one know if needles and syringes can be bought from your pharmacies without question?, (uk)

[burning]

does tamox need to be injected then?

[thejuiceisloose]

what you do is you go into the main steroid forum and click on "NEW TREAD" then start it there

~theJuice~

[Killer Bulk]

Sorry Bro

[thejuiceisloose]

does tamox need to be injected then?

nope, it's an oral syringe

~theJuice~

[burning]

lol,

[burning]

nice one, one less prick to worry about, the tamox that is, guess that sums it up, thanks a ton every one

[thejuiceisloose]

No problem bro, btw remember to use clomid AND Nolva durring PCT.

~theJuice~

[burning]

No problem bro, btw remember to use clomid AND Nolva durring PCT.

~theJuice~

Will do m8,

I guess I can run nolva the day I fininish the sust and the clomid two weeks after the sust ?

[thejuiceisloose]

run the nolva all the way through, the clomid with the nolva durring PCT.

~theJuice~

[thejuiceisloose]

and start pct 18 days after last sus injection

~theJuice~

[Power Viking]

I don`t by the eod thing for sust.

Here`s the reason:

Sure the prop will leave your system really fast, but when the prop leaves the second fastest esther will kick in. When this fades out the next one will kick in and so on.
This is probablt why out of the 250 mgs only 30 mg is prop. It`s just to give you some instant action while waiting for the other types to get going.
By shooting eod you`ll be shooting 250 mg on top of the 220 mgs that haven`t even had time to get started (if you shoot a full amp every time that is). Then you`ll be shooting 250 on top of 220 and about 150 mg left from the first one (a bit messy, but this is the third injection of the first week).

Isn`t the whole point of sust to give you a substance that has a MIX of fast and slow testo thus making it OK to inject once a week? If not, then the whole product is just useless `cus if you have to shoot it eod you might as well just use prop and not get all that overlapping.

I know I`m not the most experienced one, but doesn`t this make sense?

[Deezuhl]

I don`t by the eod thing for sust.

Here`s the reason:

Sure the prop will leave your system really fast, but when the prop leaves the second fastest esther will kick in. When this fades out the next one will kick in and so on.
This is probablt why out of the 250 mgs only 30 mg is prop. It`s just to give you some instant action while waiting for the other types to get going.
By shooting eod you`ll be shooting 250 mg on top of the 220 mgs that haven`t even had time to get started (if you shoot a full amp every time that is). Then you`ll be shooting 250 on top of 220 and about 150 mg left from the first one (a bit messy, but this is the third injection of the first week).

Isn`t the whole point of sust to give you a substance that has a MIX of fast and slow testo thus making it OK to inject once a week? If not, then the whole product is just useless `cus if you have to shoot it eod you might as well just use prop and not get all that overlapping.

I know I`m not the most experienced one, but doesn`t this make sense?

you dont have to buy into the eod theory cause its supposed to be shopt everyday for stable blood levels.. here is a chart for you to read..


A new look into doing sustanon by Basskiller - GREAT READ

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As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
basskiller

days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.





Question:




So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...*




as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46




Answer:




Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.





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Here is the normal 3 times a week chart




*Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

[duke911]

great info, thanks

[Power Viking]

Well, if you manage to draw up exactly 100 mg (from a 250 mg amp) and spend a fortune in needles (they cost $ 1 a piece in Norway) this might be the best. I see that you add more to begin with then maintain the levels as you go.

Still, for a more moderate user taking one shot a week shouldn`t be all that bad, not with sust. With prop, all hell breaks loose, but that`s cus of the short half-life. By the way, I don`t think that purple line looks all that bad, really

[RA]

Well, if you manage to draw up exactly 100 mg (from a 250 mg amp) and spend a fortune in needles (they cost $ 1 a piece in Norway) this might be the best. I see that you add more to begin with then maintain the levels as you go.

Still, for a more moderate user taking one shot a week shouldn`t be all that bad, not with sust. With prop, all hell breaks loose, but that`s cus of the short half-life. By the way, I don`t think that purple line looks all that bad, really

Number one: If you cant figure out how to draw it, you shouldnt be using.


Number two: Your assumption is wrong. My first cycle I shot once a week and the sides are bad. If ppl dont want to do sus eod, they should not use it.

[Deezuhl]

i agree atleast eod but Every week is stupid with sus. You wont even see the same gains.. if you cant afford the needles then dont use sus.

[Power Viking]

When the shit is released little by little its designed so you want have to inject every ****ing day. I trust the manufacturer. If I want a product that I have to inject every day, that product is called prop. If you have to shoot sust as often as prop, then the whole point of a testo mix is lost.

I did sust with one injection every 10 days (!!) OK, that was probably not the smartest thing I`ve done, but awsome gains, no side effects and I kept ALL my gains. 250 mg is 250 mg and when its released slowly, over a span of more than a week, I seriously doubt the difference in effect will be that big, if any.

P.S: I know how to draw, but to fiddle around with 1/4 of an amp, nah, keeping the rest of the shit in a vial, stabbing myself every day, building up scare-tissue, is it worth it? When the swings in the blood streams are that low and I don`t get any side-effects. Nah? Not as long as the effect is the same, which I`m pretty sure it is, distributing the 250 mgs in a slightly different matter won`t really affect you all that much, if any.

[Deezuhl]

last time i checked prop was in sus..

[BG]

I shot sust evry other day, alright, changed to ED and got much better results, and like Deezuhl said its got Prop so to get the most from all compounds ED is the way to go!

[BG]

When the shit is released little by little its designed so you want have to inject every ****ing day. I trust the manufacturer. If I want a product that I have to inject every day, that product is called prop. If you have to shoot sust as often as prop, then the whole point of a testo mix is lost.

I did sust with one injection every 10 days (!!) OK, that was probably not the smartest thing I`ve done, but awsome gains, no side effects and I kept ALL my gains. 250 mg is 250 mg and when its released slowly, over a span of more than a week, I seriously doubt the difference in effect will be that big, if any.

P.S: I know how to draw, but to fiddle around with 1/4 of an amp, nah, keeping the rest of the shit in a vial, stabbing myself every day, building up scare-tissue, is it worth it? When the swings in the blood streams are that low and I don`t get any side-effects. Nah? Not as long as the effect is the same, which I`m pretty sure it is, distributing the 250 mgs in a slightly different matter won`t really affect you all that much, if any.

Sust was made for TRT, so that people wouldnt have to inject as often at low dosages, but for body buiding purposes and stated in Hookers profile, eod at least if not evryday!