Is gyno possible from M1T??

**bigbagz** · 07-08-2005, 05:50 PM

I've read that methyl-1-test does not convert to estrogen.........so is it possible to get gyno form M1T??

**nsa** · 07-08-2005, 05:54 PM

No its not possible to get estrogen gyno, but you can get progesterone gyno. And if your using test/4-ad with it, you can get estrogen gyno...

**thebrakes** · 07-08-2005, 08:33 PM

you wont get gyno if you use M1T solo. but if you come off w/o PCT.....

**nsa** · 07-08-2005, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by thebrakes

you wont get gyno if you use M1T solo. but if you come off w/o PCT.....

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Like i explained you can get progesterone induced gyno from M1T...

**The Baron** · 07-08-2005, 10:42 PM

Unlikely, but remotely possible. 200mg B6 ED or .5mg cabergoline will probably prevent it if you are not using more than 20mg/ED of M1T. If you are using test, have some nolva on hand, and consider running a low prophylactic dose, maybe 10mg/ED.

**Natural1** · 07-09-2005, 07:41 AM

what is the difference in prog. gyno or estrogen gyno? GYNO is gyno isnt it?

**nsa** · 07-09-2005, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Natural1

what is the difference in prog. gyno or estrogen gyno? GYNO is gyno isnt it?

Different pathways that cause the gyno...

**Natural1** · 07-10-2005, 02:23 PM

still the same result though right?

**BeefCakeStew** · 07-10-2005, 02:35 PM

They are not the same result. Progesterone induced gyno is harder to deal with than estrogen induced gyno because estrogen blockers like nolva and clomid and anti-aromatase drugs like Femara and ADex arent effective in treating the syptoms.

It is possible however that M1T can cause estrogen related gyno post cylce if there is a significant drop in systemic testosterone , as "breast enlargement can be explained by an increased effective estrogen/androgen ratio acting at the breast itself" (PMID: 7705322).

**nsa** · 07-10-2005, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by BeefCakeStew

They are not the same result. Progesterone induced gyno is harder to deal with than estrogen induced gyno because estrogen blockers like nolva and clomid and anti-aromatase drugs like Femara and ADex arent effective in treating the syptoms.

It is possible however that M1T can cause estrogen related gyno post cylce if there is a significant drop in systemic testosterone, as "breast enlargement can be explained by an increased effective estrogen/androgen ratio acting at the breast itself" (PMID: 7705322).

That second part of your post is possible, but highly unlikely to happen...

**heavydchamp** · 07-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Not trying to steal the post, but my question is on topic. I used to have gyno, occurred naturally through puberty. I was wondering what i could take to supplement my T3,clen cutting cycle that wont risk bringing my gyno back. if theres no good aas for my situation, then what legal supps would be best to maintain my muslce.

**Jsik98** · 07-10-2005, 07:35 PM

I'm pretty sure that testosterone can only convert to estrogen (estradiol). The "progesterone gyno" is caused by the actual steroid fitting into the progesterone receptor, mimicking the effects of progesterone. However, heightened levels of estrogen must be present for this to occur. This is the case with deca and tren gyno, and I assume it's the same for M1T. As far as I know, letro is effective at preventing both types due to its efficacy at suppressing estrogen and aromitase.

**Tags** · 07-10-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by nsa

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Like i explained you can get progesterone induced gyno from M1T...

Shit man that must be what I got, I got some type of gyno from m1t while on, ran some nolvadex didn't do shit...

**Tags** · 07-10-2005, 07:52 PM

I still got a full bottle left of the good m1t (aka they m1t with dbol because they messed up making it)

**Jsik98** · 07-10-2005, 09:53 PM

Try letro

**Two4the$$** · 07-10-2005, 10:42 PM

Okay, no one has made this clear for the poor soul. Whats the difference in progestenic and estrongenic induced gyno? HOW YOU COMBAT THEM! LOL. If you are taking a progestenic AAS, you need Bromo, or B6, or stronger, RU486...

On the other hand, if you are taking something that is estrogenic AND another compound thats progestenic, which is the situation where progesterone is likely to cause gyno, use Falsodex. Hooker wrote profiles on this which have been stolen. Anyway, it combats both according to him, and needs only to be injected ONCE A MONTH. So, check that out.