Ketotifen/clen magic

**Drummerboy** · 07-12-2005, 01:33 AM

I guess you can use clen for many weeks with little downregulation with the help of an antihistamine. Ketotifen is supposed to work good. Anyone try this? I have no clue where to get it, is it over the counter? What is a good alternative that i can easily get? benadryl? help!! my clen is coming into use soon...

**co2boi** · 07-12-2005, 06:50 AM

bump for info...

**lochick87** · 07-12-2005, 07:57 AM

I have heard that you can use Benadryl. I will try to find where I saw this. I just started my clen /t3 cycle and plan on using Benadryl as an antihistamine.

Here is a thread that may be helpful to you:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=benadryl

**Drummerboy** · 07-12-2005, 04:43 PM

thnx for the reply. bump for more info...

**Alpha-Male** · 07-12-2005, 05:51 PM

you can totally use benadryl, 100mg/day every third week, for a week...cycling clen is no longer necessary...i believe this is posted in the edu threads, but it might have been something i saw in the old profile section...WHICH NEEDS TO COME BACK ASAP!!!!!

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-12-2005, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by lochick87

I have heard that you can use Benadryl. I will try to find where I saw this.

You probably heard it from me or someone repeating me...

This is the thread where I told AR that Benadryl could be used to upgrade Beta-receptors:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dryl+ephedrine

But I had figured that our months and months beforehand and told the members of BB4L about it. I had the hypothesis and tested it on myself...later, I was given the research to back up my findings, since I couldn't find it at first....I was the first dude on the 'net to figure out you could use Benadryl for this purpose, actually...so wherever you heard it...it came (in some way) from me.

**Logan13** · 07-12-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by hooker

You probably heard it from me or someone repeating me...

This is the thread where I told AR that Benadryl could be used to upgrade Beta-receptors:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dryl+ephedrine

But I had figured that our months and months beforehand and told the members of BB4L about it. I had the hypothesis and tested it on myself...later, I was given the research to back up my findings, since I couldn't find it at first....I was the first dude on the 'net to figure out you could use Benadryl for this purpose, actually...so wherever you heard it...it came (in some way) from me.

And I thought that I was arrogant. Kudos Hooker, you are the man.

**Drummerboy** · 07-12-2005, 09:46 PM

So, i guess the bottom line is, it works? Is benedryl a good substitute or is it easy to find Ketotifen? thnx for the reply...

**dive_kid** · 07-12-2005, 09:54 PM

research companys carry ketoifen. pretty cheap too
and it works well with clen

**Drummerboy** · 07-12-2005, 09:54 PM

hmm... ok ill look around

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-13-2005, 08:11 AM

Well...I'm certainly not modest...it's against my beliefs...anyway, Benadryl will upgrade beta-receptors, but ketotifen is good for other stuff, especially pct...here's why:

Ketotifen lowers levels of the cytokine Tumor Necrosis Factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), which is a catabolic hormone, and this is a property that Benadryl does not have to my knowledge. TNF-alpha lowers both testosterone and IGF-1 levels (3)(4), and strenuous exercise elevates TNF-alpha levels (5). Ketotifen's anabolic effects seem to be overshadowed (rendered inert) by anabolic steroids (1), however, so I reccomend it only during pct.

(Taken partly from my Ketotifen Profile)

References:
1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection.
Br J Nutr. 1996 Jan;75(1):129-38.
2. Smart T. GMHC Treat Issues. 1995 May;9(5):7-8, 12.
3. Mauduit C, et.al Endocrinology 1998 Jun;139(6):2863-8
4. Lang CH et.al Growth Horm IGF Res 2001 Aug;11(4):250-60
5. Pedersen BK et. al. Exerc Immunol Rev 2001;7:18-31

You can buy Ketotifen at www.cuttingedgemuscle.com .

**co2boi** · 07-13-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Well...I'm certainly not modest...it's against my beliefs...anyway, Benadryl will upgrade beta-receptors, but ketotifen is good for other stuff, especially pct...here's why:

Ketotifen lowers levels of the cytokine Tumor Necrosis Factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), which is a catabolic hormone, and this is a property that Benadryl does not have to my knowledge. TNF-alpha lowers both testosterone and IGF-1 levels (3)(4), and strenuous exercise elevates TNF-alpha levels (5). Ketotifen's anabolic effects seem to be overshadowed (rendered inert) by anabolic steroids (1), however, so I reccomend it only during pct.

(Taken partly from my Ketotifen Profile)

References:
1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection.
Br J Nutr. 1996 Jan;75(1):129-38.
2. Smart T. GMHC Treat Issues. 1995 May;9(5):7-8, 12.
3. Mauduit C, et.al Endocrinology 1998 Jun;139(6):2863-8
4. Lang CH et.al Growth Horm IGF Res 2001 Aug;11(4):250-60
5. Pedersen BK et. al. Exerc Immunol Rev 2001;7:18-31

You can buy Ketotifen at www.cuttingedgemuscle.com .

How does reistance training cause the release of test and the suppression of test at the same time?

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-13-2005, 09:51 AM

Resistance training causes a spike in testosterone levels ...overtaining can lower them.

TNF-levels are raised by any kind of stress.

**Drummerboy** · 07-13-2005, 01:45 PM

Thanx hooker, you make a thread like this a great informative read....

**jgg1221** · 07-13-2005, 04:57 PM

clen makes me anxious as hell. ill never take it again

**Drummerboy** · 07-13-2005, 09:30 PM

yep... thats one price to burn fat 24/7

**co2boi** · 07-14-2005, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Resistance training causes a spike in testosterone levels ...overtaining can lower them.

TNF-levels are raised by any kind of stress.

Right on, thanks for the clarification.

**LAW** · 07-14-2005, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

You probably heard it from me or someone repeating me...

This is the thread where I told AR that Benadryl could be used to upgrade Beta-receptors:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dryl+ephedrine

But I had figured that our months and months beforehand and told the members of BB4L about it. I had the hypothesis and tested it on myself...later, I was given the research to back up my findings, since I couldn't find it at first....I was the first dude on the 'net to figure out you could use Benadryl for this purpose, actually...so wherever you heard it...it came (in some way) from me.

You have the best profiles, i miss not being able to find them. I enjoyed them even if I wasn't interested in the product.

**Roids6** · 07-14-2005, 11:01 AM

Which benadryl product do you use?
Allergy? Allergy and sinus headache? severe allergy and sinus headasche? Allergy and cold ?
etc etc, they have several pruducts
thanks

**Roids6** · 07-14-2005, 11:31 AM

benadryl allergy fine to use?
whats everyone else use?

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-14-2005, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by LAW

You have the best profiles, i miss not being able to find them. I enjoyed them even if I wasn't interested in the product.

Thanks...they'll be back soon, I've heard.

**Roids6** · 07-14-2005, 11:38 AM

hooker?

**Roids6** · 07-14-2005, 01:11 PM

please, anybody know if it matters what kind of benadryl?

**lochick87** · 07-14-2005, 01:14 PM

it doesn't matter. go to walgreens and get their brand, it's cheaper.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-14-2005, 01:37 PM

Yeah....I use the CVS brand.

The whole reason I even bothered researching Benadryl as an alternative to Ketotifen was because I wanted the average person who was using clen to be able to buy a $5 bottle of Benadryl at their local drugstore to upgrade their receptors, instead of a $50 bottle of Ketotifen they'd need to buy online or import from some overseas pharmacy.

**Drummerboy** · 07-14-2005, 08:38 PM

Sounds good, please list the appropriate doses and when to take with clen ... i will be using 150mcg ED of clen till done (30 mls) 40 days. Can i do this straigt thru, no break?

**Roids6** · 07-14-2005, 09:06 PM

yes apparently, just take benadryl every 3rd week before bed
50 or 100mg, not sure though?

**Drummerboy** · 07-15-2005, 11:25 AM

bump for more info

**Drummerboy** · 07-18-2005, 07:14 PM

Im reading about Keto a lot. Here is a helpfull thread on it, even though it has been made clear benedryl can work, i just like to explore compounds that are new to me...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=538

Im wondering if lion will carry it soon? I found it elsewhere, it is a little pricey, and i trust lion...

**Moosepellet** · 07-18-2005, 07:35 PM

I thought that you had to take Benedryl starting on the third week throughout the rest of the time on? Hooker can you clear this up for me?

**Drummerboy** · 07-19-2005, 12:17 AM

ya me too

**Rider** · 07-19-2005, 02:57 AM

I use the Zaditen by Novartis.It's just excellent!

**Drummerboy** · 07-23-2005, 01:28 AM

Ya, thats ketotifen under a name used for kids.....

**Drummerboy** · 09-04-2005, 06:10 PM

well, im gonna try both... keto first, as my clen use is in PCT... anti catabolic for both clen and keto... im having the girlfriend try benedryl.. will keep you guys posted

**Property of Steroid.com** · 09-05-2005, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

I guess you can use clen for many weeks with little downregulation with the help of an antihistamine.

Sorry I missed you on IM yesterday. It's not just any anti-histimine though...its a certain class of drugs...

Remember, Benadryl is also sold (under a different name) as a sleep aid, as is Ketotifen...and you can't make the claim that "sleeping pills will upregulate beta receptors." Many won't...as many antihistimines won't upregulate beta-receptors.

**Drummerboy** · 09-05-2005, 12:27 PM

ya, ill stick with the 2 that are known to work... ill use the keto cause my clen use is in PCT and i will benefit from the anti-catabolic properties of both clen and keto... the g/f is just on clen, she will try benedryl..