I wanted to hear others opinions on this cycle
12 weeks
250ml Test E X2 a week
Weeks 14-16
Nolvadex 40ml
Weeks 16-18
Nolvadex 20ml
10 ml until I "feel normal"
also what type of rep/set/weight scheme would you go for on this, using a 5 day split?
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Test E/250 mlx2 week - 12 weeks
I wanted to hear others opinions on this cycle
12 weeks
250ml Test E X2 a week
Weeks 14-16
Nolvadex 40ml
Weeks 16-18
Nolvadex 20ml
10 ml until I "feel normal"
also what type of rep/set/weight scheme would you go for on this, using a 5 day split?
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Good conservative first cycle.
While nolva will suffice, you may want to get some clomid. Just help things along a bit in PCT. And get nuts back sooner
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Where's the clomid or hcg?
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Also, most people do jumpstart their Test E with some sort of faster acting oral such as dbol. Test E you won't feel kick in for 3-5 wks.
Train heavy and intense. I do chest/tris, shoulders, biceps/back, and legs. If I've got an extra day, I split up biceps and back... toss in abs about 2-3x wk. and cardio 3x wk (very light walking or something for 45 min- 1 hr away from workout usually).
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HCG is nice to have, but not necessary for 12 wk cycle.
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Sorry, not familiar with HCG. That is?Originally Posted by iloco
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HCG is used during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. Its not used during PCT but whilst "on". User's usually run HCG when the cycle is 15+ weeks, which yours isnt. IMO its not needed.
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Bro, that is the same cycle I'm currently on. Actually this is my third cycle, but the first two were the same.....250 mg Test-E 2x week. The only difference is that I kick started them with 20 mg Dbol for the first 4 weeks. I've always kept my doses low and had excellent results. Don't expect to put on 20+ lbs but with a sound diet and an entense training program, expect 5-8 lbs of quality muscle. Assuming you follow your PCT.
A bit of advise would be to buy a surplus of Nolva. Since you're going to run it for PCT, you don't want to run out. Because you don't know how your body will react, you may start seeing signs of gyno, it do you'll need to bump your Nolva doses, depending on how and much and how long, it may cut you short on PCT. But you always have AR-R to fall back on, fast shipping!
Good luck!
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Hmmmm, my source said after the cycle I could expect to have gained 20 lbs, but I might lose some after PCT. So no more than 8 lbs u say?Bro, that is the same cycle I'm currently on. Actually this is my third cycle, but the first two were the same.....250 mg Test-E 2x week. The only difference is that I kick started them with 20 mg Dbol for the first 4 weeks. I've always kept my doses low and had excellent results. Don't expect to put on 20+ lbs but with a sound diet and an entense training program, expect 5-8 lbs of quality muscle. Assuming you follow your PCT.
A bit of advise would be to buy a surplus of Nolva. Since you're going to run it for PCT, you don't want to run out. Because you don't know how your body will react, you may start seeing signs of gyno, it do you'll need to bump your Nolva doses, depending on how and much and how long, it may cut you short on PCT. But you always have AR-R to fall back on, fast shipping!
Good luck!
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You can definitely retain more than 5-8 lbs. of quality muscle if you diet right.
12 weeks of 500mg test? definitely listen to your source about your gains. i wouldn't have done a first cycle if i was looking for 5-8 lbs.
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[QUOTE=unoigo] Don't expect to put on 20+ lbs but with a sound diet and an entense training program, expect 5-8 lbs of quality muscle. Assuming you follow your PCT.
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I am amazed at some of the wrong advice guys are doeling out here.
1. 20 lbs is no problem with this first cycle. My dosage was just 250 and I kept 19 lbs on my first cycle. If you are just getting 5-8 lbs from your cycles after PTC, why are you using AAS as you can do that naturally?
2. Absolutely get clomid for your PTC.
3. Use 10mgs Nolva daily while on cycle. Test converts to estrogen and that is why some guys get gyno. Further your HDL/LDL cholesterol levels get screwed up on cycle and Nolva helps keep them in check. It also reduces estrogen related water bloat. And Lastly, and most importantly, gyno is easier to prevent than it is to treat. Once you have it, you'll have it always unles you have the gland surgically removed.
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Hmmm, see I hate it when this happens. I get numerous different suggestions and I really have no way of determining whos right or wrong. I'm listenin........
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OK, here's my final $.02 for you:
Pick up some clomid, it will restore natural levels faster.
No need for HCG as your cycle is not strong or long enough for it.
And last but not least expect a really good quality gain at 500mg/wk as your first cycle. You won't be dissapointed.
Good Luck
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just load up on the nolva and do 10mg during the cycle like toolman said. And also I would advise an oral to jumpstart for 4-5 weeks like iloco said
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Thank you everyone thus far.......
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Is that an attempt to reach 25 posts so you can PM?!
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well no actually it isnt. but now look what you made me do.Is that an attempt to reach 25 posts so you can PM?!
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My only advice was to stock up on Nolva in case Gyno appreared so he wouldn't run out prior to PCT.
Regarding weight gain, read my post I said "5-8 lbs" of quality muscle. Hell, I put on right at 20 lbs my first cycle but after cutting and PCT about 8 lbs of lean/ quality muscle remained. Alot of people post saying they put on 20 - 30 lbs on cycle but actually it's not all muscle. Granted some of our memebers follow a very strict diet when bulking (clean bulk) and can see those gians but I feel there are few.
Keep in mind that everyone is different. Some can gain faster and leaner than others, it's life. I was just sharing my experience as I used the same doses he is going to try.
Another thing that I belive in is that when running low dose cycles, losing gains are kept low during and after PCT. Agian, my opinion based on my experiences.
BTW: How did this guy get banned already????
Last edited by unoigo; 07-13-2005 at 05:37 PM.
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Accident, no problem.
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Wasn't really addressing the Nolva comment as much as the gains. You said not to expect 20 lbs. He absolutely should on a very first cycle. My first cycle was a 12 weeker and I put on 24 lbs, kept 19 after PTC and believe me bro 10+ of those pounds were not fat, but muscle. At best a couple pounds were fat.
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Hey Swifto,
Do you think a 14 or 15 week cycle of Sustanon (or Omnadren) and EQ would require the use of HCG, at 500mg Sust/week and 400mg EQ/week? It seems that at around 14 or 15 weeks is when alot of people say you really have to considder using it. The thought here is .25mg/day of liquidex and 10mg/day Nolva thruout cycle, and nolva/clomid/liquidex pct.
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Dude, you're hijacking. Start your own post.
Next, lets get something straight. You can gain 20 pounds on a cycle, but genetics and accuracy of what AAS works for you at what dosage has to be right. You have to get lucky, or do more than 500mg. Also, have ALL your gear BEFORE the first injection. Be completely aware of EACH day, date, mg, etc before anything. Keep a journal. Watch your weight. It's a crude measuring device, but if the weight isn't going up, you're not eating enough.
Finally, lets put this shiot to rest. You can gain 5-8 pounds naturally, it takes about a year, and that'd be the FIRST year, cause that's when your gains come on fastest. And by the way, that's assuming you are 200 pounds, cause the biological LIMIT is about 4% per year. That is of course assuming your diet is perfect, you don't stress cause that increases your cortisol levels, you train in the EXACT way your body needs it, and you have a normal range of test and HGH running in your body.
Ignore these people saying getting that naturally is easy. It is for some, and not for others. 8 pounds is pretty good, and should be very reasonable. Think of 10 steaks, thats about 8 pounds... now envision slapping those on your body under your skin. Not satisfied? Do another cycle. lol.
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