Still no sex drive / after clomid

**Oprah Winstral** · 04-24-2002, 01:39 PM

Ok my last cycle was,
Sus 500mgs
eq 600mgs
for 14 weeks
winny eod week 7-14
just finished my clomid 1 week ago, and having trouble getting hard, or i can get hard but it wont last till the end ... this sucks for me and my girl, what the freak???
what should i do? can i take more clomid or is it to late?
Please help????

**murph** · 04-24-2002, 01:45 PM

get a better looking wife,.....lol...j/k..............you didnt have this prob before AS did you?...........you werent even on deca .... hmmmm?

**D3m3nt3d** · 04-24-2002, 01:48 PM

give it a lil while longer bro...even with clomid it can take a while to regulate test levels..they may never be EXACTLY where they were..

**REM** · 04-24-2002, 01:57 PM

telling from experience i took some viagra
helps alot alot give it try bro you will not
regret it ...

**Big Rush** · 04-24-2002, 02:38 PM

Bro, I don't know what to tell you about your problem, but I do have an off topic question for you. I'm on an almost identical cycle to yours. Just wondering what kind of gains you made????

Peace

**iron4life79** · 04-24-2002, 04:51 PM

tr some proviron bro, 50mg ed for 3-4 weeks. coming off the proviron is no biggie either, as its mild compared to the a.s you used in your cycle.

peace bb79

***Sicilian30*** · 04-24-2002, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by barbells79
tr some proviron bro, 50mg ed for 3-4 weeks. coming off the proviron is no biggie either, as its mild compared to the a.s you used in your cycle.

peace bb79

Very good idea BB... Proviron aught to get the sex drive back.. they give it to older men for that reason.

**Mr. Africa** · 04-24-2002, 07:14 PM

go on with clomid till you can get it on easily,proviron is a good idea as well but myself, i don't use it as it inhibits to a degree and may delay recovery a week or two
your homone level will get back to normal sooner or later ,EXACTLY the same or even MORE
pregnant females have thier axis inhibited for nine months then they get it back in 6-8 weeks (if they don't lactate),,,don't wory bro.,we give cortisol for ptns. for 10 years then taper and the axis gets back to normal
patience is all what u need.

**Oprah Winstral** · 04-25-2002, 09:35 AM

Hey Big Rush ----------
i Made great gains 18 all keepable pounds, havent lost a thing , My strenght is getting better and believe it or not im getting more and more lean......... but im telling you this lost of sex drive sucks big time, but can i start to take clomid again even though i have stop it 1 week and a half ago ??

**Dr.Evil** · 04-25-2002, 11:28 AM

your problem is the long cycle. 14 weeks kept your hypothalamus asleep for a long time and it will take a long time to get it back.

clomid only helps to block estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus. this sends a signal of low hormones and the hypothalamus will try to send signals to produce some natural hormones. however, your hypothalamus is still going to be very very sleepy. it doesn't matter how much estrogen is blocked, after being on a cycle for that long it's going to take a while for your hypothalamus to wake up.

proviron is not the answer. it will only stimulate the sex drive via the same mechanism that testosterone does. proviron is a derivative of methylated dht. it is a very bad idea for you to add more exogenous androgens into your body at this point because the whole purpose is to try to get the hypothalamus to recover properly and this can only be done when you stop introducing more hormones. just give yourself time. next time if you don't want such a long downtime don't use such a long cycle. keep it under 10 weeks.

**iron4life79** · 04-25-2002, 01:46 PM

i stand corrected..........when dr evil speaks we listen. and i learned something new here.

dr evil,
i thought since the proviron was only mildly anabolic , that it was a good call in this case. i didnt seem to have any trouble with coming off of it, and my drive coming back, but i guess thats just me. i also understand your post above, and i guess time is the best answer in this case, i thought his problem could be corrected much more quickly, but like i said above you learn something new here every day.
thanks for the enlightening post...............

peace bb79

**tryin2getbig** · 04-25-2002, 02:10 PM

why not take some HCG shots, do three shots spaced 5 days apart

1. 5,000 IU's
2. 3,500 IU's
3. 1,500 IU's

that will start your LH hormone to start making its own shit faster then clomid will. For example, HCG in my mind is like those defibulator things that they shock you with to get your heart pumping again, except with the whole producing testosterone thing, or just give it some time, your body will correct itself. Don't take the viagra because then you might get used to it and then have a hard time getting it up permanently. Good Luck

**Maleko** · 04-25-2002, 02:14 PM

So i guess what the answer here is just time by itself will do it??

**Mr. Africa** · 04-25-2002, 05:55 PM

time and clomid ,zinc and glautamine might help as well.

**Maleko** · 04-25-2002, 06:22 PM

But is it still ok to use clomid even if you already finished your required doses of it
Even weeks later will it be ok to start clomid again?
Im gonna post a topic about this.........

**Dr.Evil** · 04-26-2002, 11:27 AM

hcg will be an immediate help much like clomid, but does not address the problem at the root (hypothalamus). hcg will noly put the hypothalamus into further "sleep." in addition, hcg will cause estrogen levels to spike high. i've already explained why estrogen is the enemy post cycle for returning the hypothalamus to normal, so hcg post cycle is a bad idea.

***Sicilian30*** · 04-26-2002, 11:33 AM

daumm Doc, you are one smart mofo.. soo good to have guys like you here on the board to edumicate us dummy's.

**Ray** · 04-26-2002, 11:53 AM

I think you guys read it wrong or maybe i did.

If he took his last shot of sustenon and eq at week 14 then they are still active in the system till week 17. Doing clomid right away wont do anything to restore natural test as there will be sustenon and eq in the system. You must wait till they are out of the system.
Eq and sustenon for wks 1-11
winstrol for wks 7-14
clomid - wks 15-17 This is how it should of been

**Dr.Evil** · 04-26-2002, 12:03 PM

i don't think it was clear when he started clomid in relation to the finish of the cycle, but ray is absolutely right. clomid should have started around week 17 if the sust/eq was used for 14 weeks.

**arthurb999** · 04-26-2002, 12:33 PM

Take some Tribestan... that may help.

**Dr.Evil** · 04-26-2002, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by arthurb999
Take some Tribestan... that may help.

that's a weaker form of clomid. if you have clomid then it wouldn't hurt to take it. if not then go to the store and get some tribestan, but put an order in for more clomid.

**G Child** · 04-26-2002, 12:56 PM

1.So basically the problem lies with the 14weeks of sus which is actually a 17 weeks cycle correct?

2. Technically this would be less of a problem and you would be able to recover faster off of a 10 week cycle which would actually be a 13 weeker?

3. So taking winny till 13 weeks doesn't delay the recovery any further because the test will still be in your system till the 13th week?

Those are my ?'s.

**Dr.Evil** · 04-26-2002, 01:01 PM

yeah, that's right g-child. actually, the 14 wk cycle is still a 14 wk cycle, not a 17 wk if sust weren't in there because the eq would take ~3 weeks to release in an appreciable amount into the blood, so the cycle length would count from about wk 4-17, 14 wks total, but the prop in the sust made it start sooner, so in essence that was a 17 weeker like you said. everything you said sounds right.

**Mr. Africa** · 04-28-2002, 06:37 PM

clomid is prescribed in MALE infertility for 3-6 month,you should use clomid till you recover,and for bodybuilders who wanna bridge they might wanna try a combination of nolvadex =andriol plis 200 primo .