prop or test e??

[new guy XL]

I want to gain lean mass, and have read conflicting things about each of these stacks. To attain good lean mass, w/ minimal water retention which is better, a test e/eq stack or a prop/eq stack.
This is what I had origionally planned for.
week 1-13 prop 200mg on mon and thurs (400mg per week)
week 1-12 eq 150 mg mon and thurs (300 per week)
I also have nolva on had if needed during the cycle, and would use clomid at the end. This would be my 4th cycle, and want quality lean muscle. I wouldn't be taking in as many calories as in the past, and would be hitting the cardoi hard. What are some thoughts??? Thanks fellas

[01dragonslayer]

Prop/EQ would be better for lean mass gains with minimal water retention but is not a cocern when proper anti-e are supplemented. You cannot shoot prop twice/wk....it should be shot ED because of the short acting prop ester.

[almostgone]

week 1-13 prop 200mg on mon and thurs (400mg per week)
week 1-12 eq 150 mg mon and thurs (300 per week)
I also have nolva on had if needed during the cycle, and would use clomid at the end. This would be my 4th cycle, and want quality lean muscle. I wouldn't be taking in as many calories as in the past, and would be hitting the cardoi hard. What are some thoughts??? Thanks fellas

If you run prop, you need to shoot ED, not E3D....and I'd run prop or enan @ 500 mg/week....Personally I'd run the EQ a tad higher also...

[new guy XL]

I was trying to avoid a ed injection. However, what amount would you suggest to shoot if done daily?

[almostgone]

I was trying to avoid a ed injection. However, what amount would you suggest to shoot if done daily?

...Try test prop 75mg ED or test enan @ 250mg E3D........

[CRUISECONTROL]

...Try test prop 75mg ED or test enan @ 250mg E3D........

Can you run them together at those dosages even though the esters are different

[almostgone]

Can you run them together at those dosages even though the esters are different

.you could run the prop with the enan until the the enan ester kicks in and then drop the prop....also, you could go off the enan at the end and ride the prop until PCT.....

[almostgone]

..look @ cycles #7 and #8 in this thread...
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=Cycles+newbie

[CRUISECONTROL]

..look @ cycles #7 and #8 in this thread...
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=Cycles+newbie

Thanks.....Great thread .........I wasn't sure if it would be a waste to run them together continually............

[almostgone]

Thanks.....Great thread .........I wasn't sure if it would be a waste to run them together continually............

...Definitely wouldn't want to run them together continually, but there's nothing wrong with running them as outlined in TheMudMan's thread....it allows you to take advantage of the short ester until the longer ester builds up to a stable level in your system and vice-versa at the end of a cycle....

[Drummerboy]

almostgone has got it right on, follow this advice

[new guy XL]

with a cycle like that w/ running the test e, would you gain the lean mass that I'm lookin for?? I have taken it before stacked w/deca, and alone as well. I got big in those cycles, but I want the lean muscle this time. Insted of an ed injection, would eod be a possibility?? Thanks for the input.