How does my cycle sound?

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 02:12 PM

week 1-12 500mg/week Test E
week 1-4 30mg/Day D-Bol
Nolvadex @ 10mg/day
Vitman B-5/day
Clomid / 11 days after last shot

How does that sound, is there anything else I should add or reduce.

**01dragonslayer** · 08-11-2005, 02:25 PM

I would add a liver protectant especially while cycling the dbol because of its heptoxic side effect. How 'bout a multi-vit ED as well??

**Dave321** · 08-11-2005, 02:26 PM

I can't hear anything!

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 02:29 PM

What type of liver protecant, sorry for the stupid questions, I never delt with stuff I would need to watch my liver but in your opinion what do you think is the best.

**01dragonslayer** · 08-11-2005, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ryano2005

What type of liver protecant, sorry for the stupid questions, I never delt with stuff I would need to watch my liver but in your opinion what do you think is the best.

There are alot of products out there....ALA, milk thistle, Liv52,....try runnin' a search....you'll find alot of good info.

**beantown12** · 08-11-2005, 02:32 PM

i have found with that much test, and all that dbol , that you wont keep a lot, if at all any gains, dbols will get you bloated, but you will notice gains fairly quickly with the dbols and test. i had a buddy do that and he thinks that he pissed out all the dbols along with all the water retention, maybe you should throw in some deca once a week to help keep some gains.

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Justin Sane

I can't hear anything!

fvckin' d!ck

**fballhoss51** · 08-11-2005, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by beantown12

i have found with that much test, and all that dbol, that you wont keep a lot, if at all any gains, dbols will get you bloated, but you will notice gains fairly quickly with the dbols and test. i had a buddy do that and he thinks that he pissed out all the dbols along with all the water retention, maybe you should throw in some deca once a week to help keep some gains.

that really isnt a lot of test, that right there, w/o tha dbols is a standard newb cycle, dbols will give u water retention which will help u build muscle, thats tha exact cycle im on and im highly doubting losing more than 5 pounds if that, ive gained 20+

**AG5678** · 08-11-2005, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ryano2005

week 1-12 500mg/week Test E
week 1-4 30mg/Day D-Bol
Nolvadex @ 10mg/day
Vitman B-5/day
Clomid / 11 days after last shot

How does that sound, is there anything else I should add or reduce.

Very good cycle IMO. I don't know if you will like that Dbol though.

AG5678

**ant_8u** · 08-11-2005, 02:40 PM

Start Clomid 14 days after your last shot

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Start Clomid 14 days after your last shot

11 days is very accurate IMO, since he is using Test E.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 02:50 PM

Okay what else could I take besides deca my sources are limited, and thanks for the info and so the cycle seems to be pretty good?

Edit: Also where would be a good place to get these liver protecants at, would a place like Gnc carry them?

**longhorn814** · 08-11-2005, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by beantown12

i have found with that much test, and all that dbol, that you wont keep a lot, if at all any gains, dbols will get you bloated, but you will notice gains fairly quickly with the dbols and test. i had a buddy do that and he thinks that he pissed out all the dbols along with all the water retention, maybe you should throw in some deca once a week to help keep some gains.

ignore this advice. Your cycle is well planned out and is a very common first cycle. You dont need anymore compounds either. You should get and be able to keep most of your gains with solid training, diet, and PCT. Obviously his friend had no idea what he was doing if he lost all his gains

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ryano2005

Okay what else could I take besides deca my sources are limited, and thanks for the info and so the cycle seems to be pretty good?

Edit: Also where would be a good place to get these liver protecants at, would a place like Gnc carry them?

don't mess it up bro.
it's good how it is.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 02:57 PM

Okay I apperciate the complement I done a lot of research and asking dumb questions to get this info so far, lol, but thanks agin for the input.

Edit: Also do you think I should add a liver protecant or multi-v, to my cycle.

**01dragonslayer** · 08-11-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Ryano2005

Also where would be a good place to get these liver protecants at, would a place like Gnc carry them?

Yep. Or try our sponsor......http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/

***G-1000*** · 08-11-2005, 03:05 PM

nice cycle i would not chang a thing. but i would add nolv 20ng day with clomid for pct

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:07 PM

Im looking for very lil side effects as possible and any idea on improving my Pct would help and thanks ahead of time.

Edit: Because of talking about to toxcity of the dbol is got me thinking about that more or should I be worried? but any input would help.

**longhorn814** · 08-11-2005, 03:10 PM

get some liv 52, i thinks its much better than milk thistle IMO. Just go a google search for it and you'll find plenty of hits about it

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:13 PM

Oh okay and thanks for the input guys you all do help alot.

***G-1000*** · 08-11-2005, 03:13 PM

there is no need for the liver support. your d-bol dose is low and only 4 weeks.

**longhorn814** · 08-11-2005, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

there is no need for the liver support. your d-bol dose is low and only 4 weeks.

that maybe true, but i would take something, better to be safe than sorry. People say var is not very hepatoxic either, but 50mg/day for 6 weeks gave me elevated liver values and I was taking milk thistle with it. Everybody is different.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:22 PM

Yeah ill agree with you there I want to make sure ill be safe, ill get some sorta liver support and thanks for the help.

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

that maybe true, but i would take something, better to be safe than sorry. People say var is not very hepatoxic either, but 50mg/day for 6 weeks gave me elevated liver values and I was taking milk thistle with it. Everybody is different.

wt Gsxxr said is pretty true, and by using Milk Thistle (which is no need for) you'll be overloading ur kidney with more stuff to filter.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:28 PM

What about liv 52, would that be hard on the kidneys.

***G-1000*** · 08-11-2005, 03:29 PM

no mater what your going to get elevated live values. it's ok if you wont to run liv 52 to help along. i just dont think you need to. make sure you drink lots of water and split the dose to am and pm.

**01dragonslayer** · 08-11-2005, 03:30 PM

A dose as small as 10mg will elevate liver values. TAKE A LIVER PROTECTANT!!!

**Smak** · 08-11-2005, 03:31 PM

Looks solid bruh. Finally someone who has done their research and chosen wisely!

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by smak dat puzz

Looks solid bruh. Finally someone who has done their research and chosen wisely!

nope, it was lined out by me

**Smak** · 08-11-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

nope, it was lined out by me

Either way he has some sense. Good work mi amigo.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:38 PM

I apperciate that smak, and yea Smoke helped alot but thats how you learn tho right, and thanks for the help all.

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ryano2005

I apperciate that smak, and yea Smoke helped alot but thats how you learn tho right, and thanks for the help all.

good luck bro. take before and after pics and post'em.

**smokethedays** · 08-11-2005, 03:40 PM

one more thing, make sure u read the bulking sticky.

**Ryano2005** · 08-11-2005, 03:43 PM

........ where would I read that at.......

**ant_8u** · 08-11-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

11 days is very accurate IMO, since he is using Test E.

Start PCT 14 days after your last shot

PCT start times

**ant_8u** · 08-11-2005, 06:20 PM

Bulking sticky

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

**Moosepellet** · 08-11-2005, 06:40 PM

nice! post some before and after pics

**Furo-master** · 08-11-2005, 07:17 PM

Okay, after you quit the d-bol you're going to "plateau." All of the test will keep your size, but I seriously doubt you'll gain much more after week five. I'm speaking from experience, and have never had toxic liver problems with D-Bol. I definately had liver problems with Anadrol , and don't think it is wise to take with another androgen; Dianabol seemed much milder. When you "plateau", your receptors are full and they need a break from what you are using. I've done all the "twelve week" cycles and noticed that I leveled off at about week seven. Do shorter high dosage cycles to get the best results. Remember to load your receptors early and then take a short break to clean them out. (3 on, 2 off) or (7 on, 5 off).

**juict** · 08-11-2005, 07:21 PM

i wouldnt worry about liver support becaseu your doses arent that high, but if you would like try some milk thistle. also can anyone verify on the clomid i thought it should be 14 days after last shot

**fballhoss51** · 08-11-2005, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Furo-master

Okay, after you quit the d-bol you're going to "plateau." All of the test will keep your size, but I seriously doubt you'll gain much more after week five. I'm speaking from experience, and have never had toxic liver problems with D-Bol. I definately had liver problems with Anadrol, and don't think it is wise to take with another androgen; Dianabol seemed much milder. When you "plateau", your receptors are full and they need a break from what you are using. I've done all the "twelve week" cycles and noticed that I leveled off at about week seven. Do shorter high dosage cycles to get the best results. Remember to load your receptors early and then take a short break to clean them out. (3 on, 2 off) or (7 on, 5 off).

i never platued and i am in tha process of running this cycle except add 2-4 weeks, ive gained 15+ pounds since week 5 and my bench has jumped quite a bit since then

edit: week 5 is when test enan really starts kicking in, long acting est.