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08-15-2005, 08:54 AM #1
First cycle not quite perfect...
Hey guys, been thinkin about doin AAS for a while and think its time to do my first cycle. For starters my stats:
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 210
BF%: 12-14
I would like to run one of the novie cycles outlined on the main page.
I would be as follows:
Weeks 1-4: 30-40mg D-Bol
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test Enth
Weeks 1-10: 300mg Deca
Weeks 1-10: 10-20mg Nolva
Typical PCT with Clomid and Nolva
I am fairly confident in this cycle. However, my question is regarding some advice that was shot my way by a friend who has cycled previously with great experience. It was his suggestion to put some Winstrol in towards the end of the cycle in order to harden up, as he said the gains off of the bulking cycle will be a little soft.
What are your thoughts on this...how long would u run it? Would you cut anything else short? Dosages etc?
Thank you in advance, and sorry if I left out any important info.
-BinoLast edited by C_Bino; 08-15-2005 at 08:57 AM.
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08-15-2005, 08:57 AM #2
nah, worry about cutting when your bulking is all done, and you've fully recovered from your previous cycle. unless, of course, your a person who want to cycle a lot, which i dont...
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08-15-2005, 10:10 AM #3
I dont want to necessarily cycle a lot. Just want to make the very best of any cycle I do, and if Winny will be beneficial than I will do it. Just wondering how to incorporate it, if I even should or not etc?
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:25 AM #4
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08-15-2005, 10:30 AM #5
Thanks a lot fballhoss, I know I will end up cycling more than once lol, its inevitable i guess. I was thinkin that i should not use too many compounds the first time also. Thanks again.
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:32 AM #6
if u left out anything i think id leave out that dbol , try to save orals for down the road
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08-15-2005, 10:36 AM #7
Ya i was debating d-bol...but I wanted to put it in to see everyone opinions. I dont like the idea of face bloat tho. But i like the idea of quick gains...You are prolly right tho.
Thanks again
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08-15-2005, 10:37 AM #8Associate Member
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My first cycle was Dbol 1-3 and test e for 6 weeks, gained 20 pounds and kept 10. If I could go back and do it again I would of went with test e for 12 weeks and probably some Tren A for 6 weeks ED. Your first cycle is usually your best. I totally agree fballhoss as to run as few as possible the first run just to see how your body is going to react. If you allready have your gear then I would probably do the test and deca
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08-15-2005, 10:39 AM #9
Thanks Jrock...so do u suggest the same as fballhoss in that the Test should be run longer than the deca . Run deca 1-10 and Test 1-12?
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:41 AM #10Associate Member
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Yep one week past deca .
1-10 Deca
1-11 Test
Then pct 2 weeks from last shot of test
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08-15-2005, 10:42 AM #11
hey bro run the test 2wks longer than the deca like this
1-4 30mg dbol
1-12 500mg test e
1-10 300mg deca
1-12 10mg nolva<-- see how your body reacts to just 10mg nolva & then you will know if its enough or you need more since its your first cycle
btw this is kinda like my first cycle but i just did susta 500mg & dbol 30mg had good gains with it. if you got any questions feel free to ask.
good luck,
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:48 AM #13
I think the cycle looks great, even for a 1st cycle. IMO, I would skip on the winny at the end, the test and deca will be a very productivbe cycle - especially for you considering the great base you seem to have already to work with.
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08-15-2005, 10:49 AM #14
Great feedback from everyone, thanks soo much. I am flipping in my head between cutting out deca or d-bol or leaving both in. Still not 100% sure.
But cutting the deca out one week before the Test is something I didnt know about. I will definitely do that.
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:51 AM #15Originally Posted by Heracles74
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 10:52 AM #16
I suggest Test only for a first cycle, possibly kickstarting with some Dbol 30mg/ED.
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08-15-2005, 10:54 AM #17AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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Hey Bino...
I have ran test c and deca for a novice cycle, and saw good results... although, the water retention was quite high, and moonface was ultimately there... my recommendation would be to run:
Test E- weeks 1-10 or 1-12
and if leaning down is a desired goal, just switch to prop the last few weeks.
I know everyone comes on here and says TESTESTESTEST for the first cycle, but seriously, if you haven't run anything, you can see some kick ass results without the deca... oh yeah, keep the d bol in there for the kicker at the start... This is coming from the skinny bitch at the gym, so take it with a grain of salt
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08-15-2005, 10:57 AM #18
Justin Sane LOL, u always crack me up man. My bro said he saw you again, I will be down Thursday most likely. Maybe pump some iron with u. Thanks for the reply, i really dont want the moonface lmao. How long would you run Prop for? weeks 8-10 or 8-12 maybe?
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08-15-2005, 10:58 AM #19
I would reccomend only test for your first cycle. 300 to 500mg per week, for 10 to 12 weeks.
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08-15-2005, 11:00 AM #20AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
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08-15-2005, 11:01 AM #21AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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and YES! if you come down thursday, we'll have to hook up some time... I got nothin but time, and that time will be spent looking at tittais and liftin weights... wanna join?!??!?
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08-15-2005, 11:02 AM #22
If your dont want water retention Deca is not the best choice. For a first cycle, I'll repeat, that I thnk Test only will be the best choice. Adding Deca will only complicate things further as well as shutting your HPTA down harder and for longer.
If you do decide to keep the Deca make sure you have the right Anti-Progesterons to combat the gyno you may experience.
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08-15-2005, 11:03 AM #23
I am puttin the order in this week, thats why I wanted to get final opinions from the experts. I should get the order next week but will wait till Sept to start. Since I am moving again for school. So i want to be moved in and have everything set out so nothing goes wrong, and my diet can be spot on.
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08-15-2005, 11:04 AM #24Originally Posted by Swifto
-Bino
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08-15-2005, 11:05 AM #25Originally Posted by Justin Sane
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08-15-2005, 11:06 AM #26AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
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08-15-2005, 11:07 AM #27AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
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08-15-2005, 11:37 AM #28Originally Posted by gsxxr
Agreed. D-bol and Test will do you just fine for a first.
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08-15-2005, 11:42 AM #29AR's Midget Beater
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If you're going to do the classic mass/bulking cycle like the one you outlined, then stick with it and don't run the winny. I would also bump up the Deca to 400 mg and you got yourself a nice first cycle.
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08-15-2005, 11:43 AM #30Originally Posted by smak dat puzz
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08-15-2005, 11:46 AM #31Originally Posted by C_Bino
It will give excellent strength/mass gains for a first timer, considering your diet is in check.
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08-15-2005, 11:50 AM #32Originally Posted by Swifto
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08-15-2005, 11:54 AM #33AR's Midget Beater
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QUOTE=C_Bino]Thanks, increasing deca sounds ok, was just worried about gettin the deca dick with too much for my first time.
-Bino[/QUOTE]
No problem bruh. That's an awesome first cycle. You'll love it.
Originally Posted by Swifto
1-12 Test E 500 mg
1-12 Deca 400 mg
1-4 dbol 30 mg
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08-15-2005, 12:04 PM #34Originally Posted by smak dat puzz
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08-15-2005, 12:07 PM #35Originally Posted by The Baron
ya, this would work. great gains on just test for first time.
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09-20-2006, 10:20 PM #36
Good Luck
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09-20-2006, 10:25 PM #37
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09-20-2006, 10:26 PM #39Originally Posted by Smak
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