Need suggestions from experienced people

**groomer** · 08-24-2005, 07:27 PM

Of course I have read post like this a lot (I have been reading everything I can get my hands on), but I want to be more descriptive. I am wanting to go on my first cycle. Here is some info for you. Age is 33. 6'1" weight is 210.5 with body fat of 23%. Overall I would say in good health. (Yeah, I know I have a gut) I have lifted before (not with a trainer or anything, just doing the Body for Life thing). I have only been lifting again for a couple of months. My goal is to get as big as possible (not a powerlifter, just look big). For right now, I am not worried about being "ripped". I may or may not get to that stage later. I am looking for advice on my first cycle. I will have a trainer and time and money. I know the forums have a lot of post like these, but they all look like they have different solutions. This is exactly what I am working with. I will be taking photos every week and be giving a progress report. If anyone can help I sure would appreciate it.

**305GUY** · 08-24-2005, 07:32 PM

At 23% body fat you should not take any AAS. Bring it down to the low-mid teens with proper diet and exercise and your good to go. In the mean time research research research.

EDIT: oh, and you just restarted lifting in the last couple of months so i would recommend you fine a routine and stick to it for over a year. Your Bf %should be low enogh by then.

**Pinnacle** · 08-24-2005, 07:34 PM

When you get your Body fat down to 12%,I'll be more than happy to discuss cycling with you.Until then,clean up the diet,and ask questions in the Diet forum on how to cut BF and what to eat,and when.

Good Luck.

**groomer** · 08-24-2005, 09:49 PM

I am not for sure if my scale is right (6 years old). Just curious (remember, I am new) what is the bad side of starting the cycle before I am at or below 12% bf?

**Pinnacle** · 08-24-2005, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by groomer

I am not for sure if my scale is right (6 years old). Just curious (remember, I am new) what is the bad side of starting the cycle before I am at or below 12% bf?

You want to bulk,right?Then you'll need to increase calories dramatically.This in turn will create excess body fat.If your holding 22% before you start.You could wind up at 30% when all said and done.You get the point,right?

**slippin** · 08-24-2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by groomer

I am not for sure if my scale is right (6 years old). Just curious (remember, I am new) what is the bad side of starting the cycle before I am at or below 12% bf?

Its like this. If you start at 22-23% then bulk with AS you will get to about 30-32%.(imo). So then when you are ready to lean down you will have to lean down from 30% to about the mid-teens or less to have the look you will want. Dont you think it will be easier to lean down from 15%?? with proper training and diet you can get to 15% easily if you have three things: MOTIVATION-DEDICATION-DISCIPLINE. If one of these is missing you wont hit your goals with or without AS. Give it a year and then think about gear. you dont want to be a fat arse.

**Pinnacle** · 08-24-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by slippin

Its like this. If you start at 22-23% then bulk with AS you will get to about 30-32%.(imo). So then when you are ready to lean down you will have to lean down from 30% to about the mid-teens or less to have the look you will want. Dont you think it will be easier to lean down from 15%?? with proper training and diet you can get to 15% easily if you have three things: MOTIVATION-DEDICATION-DISCIPLINE. If one of these is missing you wont hit your goals with or without AS. Give it a year and then think about gear. you dont want to be a fat arse.

Sounds sort of like what I wrote above this post,doesn't it?