please look vets , primo at the end??

**shadow123** · 04-30-2002, 01:46 PM

i am on week 6 of
weeks 1-8 sus500
weeks 1-8 deca400
clomid starts week 11
i was going to do winny tabs( 50mgs each day) from weeks 7-11 to harden my muscle and help keep the gains.
but may have a silght problem getting them on time.
so i was thinking about doing primo weeks 8 , 9 ,10
but not sure our much per week?
i have 10 primo( heard this hardens muscle andhelps keep gains) 100mg/ml.
also i have one extra deca can i bang this in on week 7.
i have novadex which i do not think i use.
and 24 tabs of clomid which i start on week11
please reply guys?

also for my next cycle i was thinking of doing Testoviron Depot and primo and clomid maybe winny tabs at the end is this ok.

**shadow123** · 04-30-2002, 02:49 PM

bump

**samoth** · 04-30-2002, 02:53 PM

I have done Primo before at the end of a cycle in an attempt to "harden up the muscle". I heard many people rave about how good it is supposed to harden up the newly acquired muscle to prevent post-cycle loss. In my personal experience, the claims did not hold up very well. I have also failed to find any biochemical basis for this claim as well. It is probably another underground bodybuilder fad, kinda like site injecting.

**_TaZ_** · 04-30-2002, 02:57 PM

Hey bro,
Remember if your going to take winni, that it also stops the natural production of test in your system. SO you would have to wait another week or 2 before clomid. If you can, try to get some anavar to use while your coming off with clomid. Anavar doesn't hamper the bodies production of test. Most of my friend take 14 tabs of clomid - 50 mg tabs. Cut 7 tabs in half, and take 1/2 tab a day for 7 days, 1 full tab for 7 days, and then 1/2 again for 7 days.
Good luck...
_TaZ_

**shadow123** · 04-30-2002, 03:00 PM

primo would be ok then if so i will do the rest of the cycle like above

**samoth** · 04-30-2002, 03:02 PM

Remember, ALL FORMS of exogeneous testosterone have an effect on your endogeneous testosterone production.

**shadow123** · 04-30-2002, 03:04 PM

Remember, ALL FORMS of exogeneous testosterone have an effect on your endogeneous testosterone production.

not sure primo effects you, need someone who knows here

**samoth** · 04-30-2002, 03:08 PM

Why wouldn't primo effect you? Primobolan is testosterone . That is how it is recognized in the body. Theres no such thing as a free ride, there is no steroid that you can take in abundance and have your body believe that it is not there. Every anabolic /androgenic steroid will effect your HTHP testicular axis and hinder endogeneous testosterone production, how much so depends on the specific chemical you are taking.

**shadow123** · 04-30-2002, 03:13 PM

Primobolan Depot, like the tablets, has only a very small influence on the hypothalamohypophysial tes-ticular axis so that the body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time.
so my cycle should be ok then

**Dizzy** · 04-30-2002, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by samoth
Why wouldn't primo effect you? Primobolan is testosterone. That is how it is recognized in the body. Theres no such thing as a free ride, there is no steroid that you can take in abundance and have your body believe that it is not there. Every anabolic/androgenic steroid will effect your HTHP testicular axis and hinder endogeneous testosterone production, how much so depends on the specific chemical you are taking.

I agree %100.

Anavar has been shown to shut down HPTA with as little as 2.5mg doses. And I have yet to see a study that shows primo doesn't shut down HPTA.

**samoth** · 04-30-2002, 03:23 PM

Looks ok, but I would wait until there is less than 50mg of exogeneous testosterone in the body before starting clomid. If I recall correctly, Primo has a half life of 21 days or so (I may be off on this, dont have references in the room). Given this, I would hold off on clomid until your body metabolizes the testosterone presently in the body.
If you need to know the half life of a chemical (A), the formula is:
A=(x)/2^((y-1)/z)
Where
x=initial amt
y=day in question
z=half life

**shadow123** · 05-01-2002, 12:37 PM

can i do this , as i am getting con fused now.
i start clomid 3 weeks after last sus/deca and 1week after last primo.
my stats 26m, 6ft, 11.5 stone(150ibs i think) fat % is 9%

i am on week 6 of
weeks 1-8 sus500
weeks 1-8 deca400
clomid starts week 11
i was going to do winny tabs( 50mgs each day) from weeks 7-11 to harden my muscle and help keep the gains.
but may have a silght problem getting them on time.
so i was thinking about doing primo weeks 8 , 9 ,10
but not sure our much per week?
i have 10 primo( heard this hardens muscle andhelps keep gains) 100mg/ml.
also i have one extra deca can i bang this in on week 7.
i have novadex which i do not think i use.
and 24 tabs of clomid which i start on week11
please reply guys?