200mgs or 400mgs deca?

[Iron horse]

My friend: 20 years old, lean ectomorph, all natural.

he wants to do this cycle

deca 200mgs/week (8 weeks)
dbol 25mgs/day (8 weeks)

clomd and novla therapy at the end of course.

his question is, can he only do 200mgs a week of deca?? would it make a dramatic difference? his wallet is tight and will only bump it to 400mgs a week if its very nessessary for a first cycle.

I wasn't sure after reading about those dose cycles.. anyone with experience with a cycle close to that? with only 200mgs deca/week?

[tryingtogetbig]

Hey bro IMO it would prob be okay but would definitely throw some test in the mix. Maybe test en at 200mg (at least) a week along with it. JMO

peace,

ttgb

[Dizzy]

I think he could stand to gain 15-20lbs off that cycle.

Liver protectants.

[Flaco]

I have a friend who just started a Deca only cycle at 200 mgs/week.Ill let you know how that goes..

[Microbrew]

I dont suggest running the d-bol for 8wks. More like 4 or 5wks.

[Iron horse]

Originally posted by Flaco
I have a friend who just started a Deca only cycle at 200 mgs/week.Ill let you know how that goes..

definitly keep me posted, thats pretty damn interesting of a cycle.

how many days into is he?

[templeton]

Ditch the deca completely in my view and up the test. Deca is ridiculously suppressive and offers poor returns compared to test plus there is the chance of progesterone induced water retention which anti estrogens wont help. Dbol for 5 wks as microbrew suggested at 30mg per day (although dbol can be effective for many at as low as 20mg per day) and test for 8 weeks, 1000mg frontload and 500mg per week thereafter with appropriate use of hcg and clomid - perhaps hcg for a week midcycle at 500iu per day and clomid post cycle. In my humble opinion cycles using such approaches as 200mg of deca per week alone are a complete waste of time and money. If only one type is to be used then surely test at a good dose as suggested above is the way to go. Hope these suggestions might help.

[Flaco]

Iron horse he just took his first shot last night..By the way he is running it for 8 weeks.

[Iron horse]

bump!!

[Iron horse]

bump once more!

[ROOKIE22]

8 weeks is a loooooong time to be on d-bol. I would increase the daily dosage to 40mg ed and lower it down to 4 weeks.
up the deca to 400mg a week and you will be happier with the results. My first cycle was deca only and i pyramided it up to 750mg a week and I gained 20 lbs and got alot stronger. (only 10ml of tt deca 300)
I would also have to agree with the others in saying throw some test in there.......

good luck

[ROOKIE22]

As for his tight wallet... He can go with T-200, its cheap....

[Iron horse]

thanks for replies, but he's already bought a bit of deca I think....

anyone else?

[ROOKIE22]

Hey Iron horse are you really going to let him do d-bol for 8 weeks????

[solid-d]

Id go with 1cc of sust 250 every 5 days for 9-10weeks, and 30-35mg of Dbol for the first 4 weeks. First cycle and on this, can expect to gain 20-25lbs no problem if eating great and clean foods. My first cycle was 15amps of Durateston250, 1 every 5days. And I gained 20lbs and kept 15lbs. If I had Dbol also, I would have had another 10lbs on me. And I aint that big, just solid.

[Iron horse]

at 25mgs, with liver protection, I dont have a big problem with it.

liver toxicity excists but is exaggerated. This guy doesnt even drink alcohal.