Thread: Who here doesnt use PCT
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09-13-2005, 07:22 PM #1
Who here doesnt use PCT
I've known ppl who have finished a cycle and kept all that they gained without using pct. Im sure there are some in this forum who havent used pct at one time or another, and still kept a large portion in what they've gained.
1.Is pct mainly for older fellas whos natural test is low and harder to recover? 2.Is it needed with a lighter cycle with weaker steroids ?
3. Who hear has went without pct and still kept there gains? dont be afraid to admit it, i know some of you dont want bashed by others ,because u didnt do pct, but lets be honest.
Just wanna hear some views about pct and etc.
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09-13-2005, 07:24 PM #2
A cycle less than 3 weeks and/or composed of only things like winstrol , var, and primo probably doesnt need any PCT. It cant hurt tho.
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09-13-2005, 07:28 PM #3
PCT is a must.. Just from reading others post, past exp, and knowledge- its probably the most important part of your cycle.. Working to hard to gain all that muscle/strength, watever and then loose it bc of no pct is a shame.. why wouldnt you do it?
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09-13-2005, 07:31 PM #4
I think not doing pct would be stupid and harmful. Especially once you get more experienced..it mess with your test levels permanently if they arent brought back after an extended cycle.
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09-13-2005, 07:45 PM #5Anabolic Member
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the bottom line is that all AAS shut you down and post cycle you need to do something to bring your natural test levels back up to par. Hence, the reason for post cycle therapy . I've also known cats who haven't ran PCT, and a lot of them say that it's pointless. As for me, I wouldn't want to run the risk of fukking myself up by not running PCT.
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09-13-2005, 07:47 PM #6
So have any of you that have responded so far ever do a cycle without pct, if so how did it go afterwards? Im sure if your doing 800mgs of test with anadrol or somethen like that it would be needed for sure. But has anyone ever did a light cycle with primo or anavar and did not use pct and kept most if not all gains?
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09-13-2005, 07:51 PM #7Originally Posted by ODC0717
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09-13-2005, 07:57 PM #8Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Hellmask
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09-13-2005, 08:00 PM #9Junior Member
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i didnt run PCT after my first cycle.... i was stupid and it was before i started studying this website... yes, i lost a good amt of size gradually over time
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09-13-2005, 08:28 PM #10
thanks for the responses so far. looking for more views on this. ODC0717 you say that all AAS shut you down. i thought the hole point in the safer but weaker steroids , is that they just lowered your natural test, still producing your own but at a lower rate.And that testosterone and the more harsher steroids completely stop you from producing any natural test.
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09-13-2005, 09:05 PM #11
i have never done pct time but am afraid myluck will run out so i plan to start with my next cycle
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09-13-2005, 09:06 PM #12
and for the record i have not had any of the negative issues of not running pct loss of size sex drive or gyno
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09-13-2005, 09:18 PM #13Originally Posted by doghunter
and what did you use in your cycle?
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09-13-2005, 10:02 PM #14
yeah im 23 going on 24 the end of this year i have cycled for a few year i didnt start until about 20 i think it was i have eq, test e , tren i have done winny ,tren, prop i have done some anavar dbol tren just all types of combos tren solo more than anything else i love it its my favorite gear so far the ed shots are no prob but im sure im leaving something out
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09-13-2005, 11:20 PM #15Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Hellmask
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09-13-2005, 11:38 PM #16
No pct??????????
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09-13-2005, 11:46 PM #17Senior Member
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PCT for anavar ?? Really? Hmmmm.... why again? What estrogen are you trying to counteract? What testicular shrinkage are you trying to recover from?
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09-14-2005, 11:19 AM #18Originally Posted by ODC0717
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09-14-2005, 12:25 PM #19
anyone?
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09-14-2005, 12:47 PM #20
hooker whats your say on the matter? You seem to know your stuff and base it on actual facts.im interested on what you say about my thread.
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09-14-2005, 12:51 PM #21Anabolic Member
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All AAS's will shut you down for sure, even the weak ones - unless u use in low enough doses but then the actual benefits arent there. IMO age can be factor affecting the recovery but young people also need PCT. Without PCT it takes a hell of a long time to get ur own production running normally, even if you are very young u still need it. But ppl are diffrent 4 sure... They also used to think that tapering the doses was smart which we now no isnt.. Now we also now PCT is good 4 everyone.
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09-14-2005, 02:03 PM #22Senior Member
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So, a dose that [some people] might consider for BRIDGING if used as a stand alone small cycle needs PCT? I'm off this discussion. This is lame. I understand the necessity for almost all cycles to have some PCT. But I don't understand doing PCT for a cycle of Var. I would have assumed you guys were sticking to things like test, deca , or other drugs that are KNOWN to be suppressive. But Var and Primo were referred. And as long as their doses are light, and the duration short, I just disagree. Peace out.
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09-14-2005, 02:05 PM #23Anabolic Member
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hehe funny typos I had.. man Im tired..
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09-14-2005, 02:09 PM #24Anabolic Member
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I understood that their duration / doses were not light..
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09-15-2005, 04:36 PM #25New Member
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truemanHW....you really seem to be on the same page as i with the froont loading
i have a thread going...how much test PROP to frontload
can you tell me what you think of my cycle....due to the gear that i have thats what i have to work with....
tell me what you think....also what are yur views for trying to keep the water off, not all of coarce but the extremes...lube dieuretic?...armi?....etc...hoe to hear from ya soon...cheers
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09-15-2005, 06:35 PM #26Senior Member
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Mike, gotta start your own thread when you're changing the subject - some people here will get a bit irritated and regard it as "hijacking" I'll take a look at your thread now.
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09-15-2005, 07:40 PM #27Originally Posted by Hellmask
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09-15-2005, 07:41 PM #28Senior Member
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Well, Mark, what kind of PCT would you do for a 4 week anavar cycle?
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09-15-2005, 07:50 PM #29
PCT? Those damn balls got in the way so why bother...
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09-15-2005, 07:55 PM #30Associate Member
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If you ever want to have kids PCT is the way to go.
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09-15-2005, 07:55 PM #31Originally Posted by mark956101957
I think its stupid for someone whos 5'10 and only 200 pounds to be calling someone else stupid.
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09-15-2005, 07:57 PM #32Senior Member
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So you feel you get testicular atrophy while on Var?
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09-15-2005, 07:59 PM #33Senior Member
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PEOPLE!! I'm done with this thread. Our PCT revolves around the following -
1. Controlling estrogen (ITT and systemic)
2. Restoring the volume of the nuts
3. Milk thistle for the liver, or Tonkat ali... whatever else.
If you're not taking an aromatizing AAS, and you're doing low dosage for short duration... well, which of the things that interfere with Endogenous Test are you combating???
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09-15-2005, 08:02 PM #34Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
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09-15-2005, 08:21 PM #35Senior Member
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Lotsa people reading - no one posting ....?
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09-15-2005, 09:43 PM #36Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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09-15-2005, 09:56 PM #37
I was doing 1000mgs a week of of test with little or no pct at one point...bottom line is you will keep more gains with less sides, bitch tits and little nuts are cool so dont spend the 50 bucks...its not worth it..I mean its only your body..you can buy a new one right?
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09-15-2005, 10:01 PM #38
i didn't do pct my first cycle many years ago.. had never even heard of it.. and yes i lost almost all of my gains...
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