Has anyone done a cycle without TEST as a base

**playboy2005** · 09-28-2005, 11:45 PM

Hi, i was wonder if anyone has done cycles without test as a base. If so, what kind of cycles, how long and what here the outcomes.

Is it true that you cant get you woody up?

thanks

**CSK** · 09-29-2005, 12:07 AM

Yeah, that's something I'm not 100% clear on either.

I've heard some people just take Cialis and leave the test out. But then I've also heard that while Cialis gives you the ability to get an erection, you'll still have 0 sex drive without any test in your system.

**jaydub** · 09-29-2005, 01:01 AM

I've ran deca without test before. did a deca/dbol stack. I didn't have a problem with getting hard. but everyone's different

**swedes** · 09-29-2005, 03:07 AM

everybody is diff. People on this board all say test is a must but lots of people don't use it and have no problem. At the same time lots of people do have a prob. Maybe keep test prop on hand just in case.

**USN DV** · 09-29-2005, 03:18 AM

My first cycle was Deca only and I put on 20lbs. I ran 400mg for 12 weeks

**SAGAD_01** · 09-29-2005, 03:30 AM

plan to run my second cycle with test and deca ...

though my source, a seasoned bodybuilder here, suggest deca and dbol ...

i was under the impression that test is a must...

**USN DV** · 09-29-2005, 03:42 AM

Everyone is different. My personal opinion is that you can get away with it for your first few cycles. But you will get better gains if you use it.

**bignatt** · 09-29-2005, 04:01 AM

I ran var with no test....had no problems.....but i think you could run test as a maintnence dose of 200mg or even as low as 100mg a week and youd be fine....a male per day only makes 4-7mg of testosterone so at most per week that 49mg think of what even a small dose of 100 will do

**marqui678** · 09-29-2005, 05:21 AM

I ran tren for a few weeks, without test, my dick was permently shriveled during this time peroid.

**stupidhippo** · 09-29-2005, 05:29 AM

many ppl here argue that test should be ran higher than deca for example..

***D7M*** · 09-29-2005, 07:36 AM

my first cycle was deca /dbol stack. I was uneducated and the cycle was worthless, IMO. I put on about 20lbs, but it was all water weight. I agree with most on this site, that test is a must for any cycle. And yes, it should be run higher than, say, deca. really, nothing else, IMHO, will give you retainable gains like test.

**boardhead** · 09-29-2005, 07:41 AM

ran a winny only cycle..put on 10lbs..no dick problems

ran a tren only cycle...3 weeks..shut down....hard recovery.

ran an eq only 400/mg/wk...no problems.

it varies per person.

***D7M*** · 09-29-2005, 07:41 AM

oh, yah, and I never got deca dick. But that's just me.

***D7M*** · 09-29-2005, 07:44 AM

last post on this one.

That deca only cycle really fcked with my head, too. emotional, mood swings, just didn't feel right while on it. Test, on the hand, I feel freakin great on!!

**v-twin** · 09-29-2005, 07:46 AM

Bro,all my cycle's are test based and I never have any problem's with my woody--then again my old lady is f**kin hot...lol

**spywizard** · 09-29-2005, 07:48 AM

i did an anavar 50mg 6 weeks.. loved it.. i know it's not good for the liver..

will do it again..

**Dave321** · 09-29-2005, 07:51 AM

I've ran Deca and Fina alone... first two cycles... BAD idea... gained a lot of water weight... fanfukingtasticly stupid.

**SoulCard** · 09-29-2005, 07:55 AM

back when i was young, dumb and full of cum it did a deca only cycle and then a deca/dbol cycle...yes, deca shut me down a little bit, but not completely and i made some decent gains...everyone is different...but having learned what i learned and having run test, i will absolutely never do a cycle without it again...

**CRUISECONTROL** · 09-29-2005, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Justin Sane

I've ran Deca and Fina alone... first two cycles... BAD idea... gained a lot of water weight... fanfukingtasticly stupid.

justin still cant get it up!!!!!!!!!

***D7M*** · 09-29-2005, 08:06 AM

SoulCard: back when i was young, dumb and full of cum

hey, soulcard, when was that this summer?

**Dally** · 09-29-2005, 08:11 AM

I ran tren alone for 6 weeks...had no troubles.

my fukin cock is a gatdamn warrior.

nothing keeps that purple helmeted bahstardt down.

cept maybe something over 175 pounds.

eww....gawd.

**SoulCard** · 09-29-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by derek7m

SoulCard: back when i was young, dumb and full of cum

hey, soulcard, when was that this summer?

well...yes it was

, however that cycle was about two years ago

...maybe i should have said younger and dumber?

**CRUISECONTROL** · 09-29-2005, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dally

I ran tren alone for 6 weeks...had no troubles.

my fukin cock is a gatdamn warrior.

nothing keeps that purple helmeted bahstardt down.

cept maybe something over 175 pounds.

eww....gawd.

Justin is over 175lbs and he's your boyfriend

**shortie** · 09-29-2005, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by SAGAD_01

plan to run my second cycle with test and deca ...

though my source, a seasoned bodybuilder here, suggest deca and dbol ...

i was under the impression that test is a must...

Personally Sagad my first 3 or 4 cycles didn't have any test and I didn't have wood probs. (the guys I listened to at the time said to save it for when I need more of a kick. Fvkin idiots really). Anyhow I think that while everyone will react differently to gear as we are all different I would see absolutely nothing wrong with saying every cycle needs test as a base. It is a naturally occuring hormone in the body, you need it, if you supress your natural levels then you have to inject it. And test is more than about wood, it controls a great deal of you personal well being, why else would they give it out like candy to old guys, it's good for you(in reasonable doses). So Use it, live it, love it.

**Deezuhl** · 09-29-2005, 08:15 AM

I have 4 friends on eq and winny and no sex drive issues. Another uses cialis but hes not on cycle but from what he tells me is what it does is give you sex drive. HE says he actually wants to fuck his wife when he takes the pill.LOL

**Dave321** · 09-29-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by CRUISECONTROL

Justin is over 175lbs and he's your boyfriend

MANfriend cruise... MANFRIEND!!!

**CRUISECONTROL** · 09-29-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Justin Sane

MANfriend cruise... MANFRIEND!!!

My bad

**playboy2005** · 10-05-2005, 11:16 PM

bump

**CatGrabber** · 10-06-2005, 12:31 AM

See my thread in the members pics section. I put on 23 lbs with a EQ and Deca run and kept 80% of it all. Test makes me BLOAT and I lose the gains when Im done. EVERYONE is 100% different for sure. You have to see what works for you. Many opinions are recycled here so YOU have to find out many things yourself and see what works for you. Cat