First Cycle EQ+DEC VS SES

[jef]

First Cycle EQ+DEC VS SES


I am new to AS and was going to start a cycle with EQ + Deca + Clen...now it's very clear that I should at least start with Test alone or to include it into the above stack.

Question: For a first time user I'm being told to run a cycle of Sustanon, EQ, Deca to put on weight and mass and not inc. clen. (I do like to maintain a lean frame though)...and that I'll need to eat 4-5k in healthy calories with high protein and let the muscle mature on my frame...then start another cycle in March 06 with parabolon, halotestin and winstrol & clen to melt the fat and water weight to achieve a ripped frame...

How does this sound?
Steroids are safe when used in moderation...is this moderate if the doses are proper? I'm not going to go losing my hair am I !@##$%

I'm 27 years old....6'2" 200lbs. Training for 10 years. As far as my eating habits I would say they are above average. 40/40/20 carbs, protein, fats through 5-8 meals a day for a total of around 3,000 cals. I try and consume at least 200+ grams of protein per day.

Thanks in advance everyone...

JC

[thejuiceisloose]

First Cycle EQ+DEC VS SES


I am new to AS and was going to start a cycle with EQ + Deca + Clen...now it's very clear that I should at least start with Test alone or to include it into the above stack.

Question: For a first time user I'm being told to run a cycle of Sustanon, EQ, Deca to put on weight and mass and not inc. clen. (I do like to maintain a lean frame though)...and that I'll need to eat 4-5k in healthy calories with high protein and let the muscle mature on my frame...then start another cycle in March 06 with parabolon, halotestin and winstrol & clen to melt the fat and water weight to achieve a ripped frame...

How does this sound?
Steroids are safe when used in moderation...is this moderate if the doses are proper? I'm not going to go losing my hair am I !@##$%

Thanks in advance everyone...

JC

For your first cycle I would go with just Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/wk for 10-12
weeks. Post your stats...age? diet? training experience?

[eGGz]

Listen to thejuice:
1-12 Test E or C @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly I.E. monday morning/thursday evening)

Hair loss is a genetic issue, If the males in your family have become bald chances are you too will be prone to Male Pattern Baldness. AAS can accelerate the process,

[big_C]

Yea....one ester test first time out...see how you react. Test Enan is my choice. Finast for hair loss, did ARR stop selling Finast??

[tycin]

wut r ur stats?

the best thing to do for a 1st cycle would be cyp or enanthate at 500mg/week for 10 weeks along with nolvadex and a proper pct... the cycle u listed.. eq,deca and clen is a horrible idea. always have test as a bsae to ur cycle.

[jef]

Is test enon, cyp or enanthate the same basic test as sustanon?

[tycin]

Is test enon, cyp or enanthate the same basic test as sustanon?

not sure wut enon is.... cyp and enan r not the same as sust. sust is a mixture of 4 compounds-Test prop 30mg,Test phenylpropionate 60 mg, test isocaproate 60 mgand test decanoate 100 mg.

[tycin]

because sust has prop in it, it shud be injected everyother day where cyp and enanthate twice a week is good.

[jef]

It's clear that I should start with 1 est...If I were to go more complex...how about this stack?

Sustanon 750wk, Deca 400wk for 8 weeks then cycling D-Bol 50mg/day through 12th week. Weeks 12+ eliminating d-bol and adding EQ, Proponate.

Would this be a good stack to start?

[tycin]

It's clear that I should start with 1 est...If I were to go more complex...how about this stack?

Sustanon 750wk, Deca 400wk for 8 weeks then cycling D-Bol 50mg/day through 12th week. Weeks 12+ eliminating d-bol and adding EQ, Proponate.

Would this be a good stack to start?

no... dbol is a good kickstart to cycles meaning it should be in the beggining, and eq should be run for at least 12 weeks to get the full effect-15 weeks is even better. wut are ur stats?

i think u need to stick around here for a bit and leanr b4 jumping into a cycle.

heres another cycle u could do with a little more:

wks1-4 dbol 30mg/day
wks1-13 test e or cyp 500-750mg/weeks
*maybe-wks1-12 eq 500mg/week*
10mg/nolva thruout cycle and proper pct...
better off to stick with test and dbol tho

[jef]

I edited the post at the top to include my stats...I'm getting advice from a friend and maybe I mixed up what he was telling me...
Weeks1-12 Sustanon
Weeks 1-12 Deca
Weeks 1-8 Dbol
Weeks 9-12+ EQ + running this into my 2nd cycle to make the 12 week duraction that you've mentioned...
Is this better?
I think you're right too...sticking aorund here and learning more is definitely in my best interest!

[tycin]

I edited the post at the top to include my stats...I'm getting advice from a friend and maybe I mixed up what he was telling me...
Weeks1-12 Sustanon
Weeks 1-12 Deca
Weeks 1-8 Dbol
Weeks 9-12+ EQ + running this into my 2nd cycle to make the 12 week duraction that you've mentioned...
Is this better?
I think you're right too...sticking aorund here and learning more is definitely in my best interest!

8 weeks on dbol is too long, running all that for your 1st cycle is too much imo... and wut u mean running eq into ur 2nd cycle? after ur 1st cycle u need to do pct and come off, basically time on=time off. for a 1st cycle 12 weeks is long enuf. i dunno why ur stuck on sust but i'd drop it and use cyp or enanthate instead, oed injections might b tuff for ur 1st cycle.

[jef]

You're right...I do need to cycle off and do PCT...I should stop typing and confusing myself...I could have swore he told me that he would have me run straight through for 9 months! Sounds like it's better to go for 12 weeks then cycle off and start a 2nd cycle after PCT +or- some more time between?...thanks for helping me out tycin. Also, I guess I'm not stuck on Sust...it just keeps getting recommended to me as the best and my friend is telling me this is what I need to use vs. a single est.

[tycin]

You're right...I do need to cycle off and do PCT...I should stop typing and confusing myself...I could have swore he told me that he would have me run straight through for 9 months! Sounds like it's better to go for 12 weeks then cycle off and start a 2nd cycle after PCT +or- some more time between?...thanks for helping me out tycin. Also, I guess I'm not stuck on Sust...it just keeps getting recommended to me as the best and my friend is telling me this is what I need to use vs. a single est.

the best thing to do is time on=time off incl pct. so if ur cycle is 12 weeks and ur pct is 4 weeks then best to stay off atleast 16 weeks. goodluck bro, any more questions feel free to pm me

[jef]

Do you mean do a pct of at least 16 weeks then?

[tycin]

Do you mean do a pct of at least 16 weeks then?

no pct should b done like this... day 1 300mg/clomid, days 2-11 100mg/clomid, days 12-22 50mg/clomid along with 10-20mg/nolva thruout. so pct last about 3 weeks plus the length of ur cycle which was 12 weeks so u would atleast wait 15 weeks to start another cycle.