M1T VS Dbols

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 08:48 PM

Hey everyone. First thing i'd like to say is, this site is much better than the "other" forum site i was doing research on, which is great. Full of a ton of great info for a newbie. Knowing this, I was hoping that you guys could give me some adivce...

About 5 weeks ago, i did a 2 week cycle of M1T (10mg/d), stacked with 4-AD, along with 500 mg of milk thistle/ed. I gained 8lbs in two weeks. Overall i was pretty happy, with minimal side effects. 1 week into my PCT i was hospitalized for unrelated reasons, and was unable to take any more PCT's for 5 days. I lost everything i had gained. Ok so in 3-4 weeks i'm going to try another cylce, but here's the question..

I was thinking another 2 week cylce of M1T, with MdMt instead of the 4-AD (this was recommended by a friend who had good results with it), as well as following up with a proper PCT, which would include nolva, and probably clomid.

or..

4-6 weeks of dbols (2) 10mg tabs per day, as well as possibly stacking it with winny tabs 4 weeks into the cycle. I've heard really good things about the blue 10mg dbol tabs, even rumors that taking them alone for a cylce proves excellent results. After reading and reading tons of posts, i don't know if i believe that.

Either way, any suggestions are appreciated. I have 4 weeks to set all of this up, so i want to make sure i do it right.

thanks for the help.

**ODC0717** · 10-10-2005, 08:51 PM

A winny or dbol only cycle is wothless, IMHO.

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 09:00 PM

i hear that a lot...

what about stacking them together?

**Smak** · 10-10-2005, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by silverstool

i hear that a lot...

what about stacking them together?

That would be even worse. Just run a Test cycle at 500mg a week for 12 weeks and you'll be much happier. M1T is crap. There is so much better stuff to choose from. Why use crap?

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 09:06 PM

just straight test? I will definetly do a search on recent posts, to find out more info. thanks for the suggestion, i appreciate it.

**Smak** · 10-10-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by silverstool

just straight test? I will definetly do a search on recent posts, to find out more info. thanks for the suggestion, i appreciate it.

Cool. That's good to hear. Test is cheaper and can be ran longer then M1T, will give you better strength and weight gains, is less harsh on your liver, and will make you become Ron Jeremy in the bed. What more else could you ask for?

**Smak** · 10-10-2005, 09:16 PM

Test Cypionate or Enanthate 500 mg week 1-12
2 shots a week Monday and Thursday 250mg each time

PCT starts 2 weeks after last injection.

**james21** · 10-10-2005, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Smak

Test Cypionate or Enanthate 500 mg week 1-12
2 shots a week Monday and Thursday 250mg each time

PCT starts 2 weeks after last injection.

That is a cycle, what you are wanting to do is not a cycle. Using dbol as a supplement is not a bad idea, and a low dose long run of it will yield some gains... but again think of it as a supplement like creatine not a "steroid cycle"

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 09:30 PM

thanks for all the great posts. I don't want to sound like a baby, but i was trying to stay away from the needles.. 2x a week isn't too bad. i just didn't want to get into the every day winny type cycles. Thats why i was trying to find a decent oral cycle instead. I'll be sure to do some more research, and maybe grow some balls and grab a needle.

**james21** · 10-10-2005, 09:34 PM

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-dianabol.asp

**Smak** · 10-10-2005, 09:35 PM

Wait until you're doing ED injections down the road. Talk about a pain in the ass..

2x a week is pretty gravy compared to that!

**james21** · 10-10-2005, 09:36 PM

That link shows the use of dianabol as a supplement, also you should look into var or tbol. If you are looking for mass you cant beat tbol as a oral only ...... great compound.

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 09:47 PM

.. i love this site.

thanks for the link, it was awesome. Reading what the article said, you can take dbol as a supplement for an extended period of time, on its own, with considerable gains. This could also be a good option for me then... I have a lot of reading to do before i decide on what i'm going to take.. Thanks again for the post.

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 09:48 PM

i'll check into the tbol.. I'm definetly looking for some mass, but i'd like to keep it reasonably lean. 10-15 lbs of lean mass would be perfect. Thats why i was asking about the winny. A few guys i work with took it, with great results.

**GotMilk?** · 10-10-2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Smak

Wait until you're doing ED injections down the road. Talk about a pain in the ass..

2x a week is pretty gravy compared to that!

Yeah I'm in my 6th week of tran A shooting 75/ed ...pain in the ass but worth it !!! I have done M1T to kick start a Deca /Test cycle in the past, and wont do it again, when I was on M1T my piss was dark orange and stank. Other people noticed it even after I left the washroom. With tren I am on now it isnt even as close as bad as M1t. You can just imange what M1T does to the Kidneys and Liver...

**silverstool** · 10-10-2005, 10:05 PM

i definetly don't need any liver problems. I took a rather low dosage of it (10mgs/d), so hopefully it didn't beat it up too bad. This time i'd want to take excessive supplements to protect my liver if i'm going to do orals again... just to be safe.

Still reading up on the tbols. so far it looks pretty good. Lots of posts, wiht good info. Does anyone feel 6 weeks is too short of a cylce?

**ODC0717** · 10-10-2005, 10:08 PM

man, ed pokes are the way to go as far as I'm concerned. Prop doesen't bloat me near as much as enth or cyp. Plus I kinda like the ed pokes.

**GotMilk?** · 10-10-2005, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by silverstool

i definetly don't need any liver problems. I took a rather low dosage of it (10mgs/d), so hopefully it didn't beat it up too bad. This time i'd want to take excessive supplements to protect my liver if i'm going to do orals again... just to be safe.

Still reading up on the tbols. so far it looks pretty good. Lots of posts, wiht good info. Does anyone feel 6 weeks is too short of a cylce?

I was running 20mg of M1T a day ...... I think 6 weeks is more than enough time for an oral only cycle !!!

**james21** · 10-10-2005, 10:18 PM

If you want short term mass then do
Oral Turanabol 60-80mg/day
By week 3 you shuold have put on around 8-10 pounds and run it for about 6-8weeks, and the gains keep coming and you have a constant pump at 80mg/day

**james21** · 10-10-2005, 10:19 PM

Also no water and retainable after cycle.

**Darkness** · 10-10-2005, 11:44 PM

The king of ED shots is tren /prop together. But gets spendy on needles!!!

**silverstool** · 10-11-2005, 03:16 AM

how much do you keep after the cycle? is it anything like dbol for that? From what i've read dbol is one of the worst for keeping the weight on after. If i can keep a good amount of weight, then tbols are what i'm looking for.