First Cycle. Advice Needed!

**muskel** · 10-20-2005, 03:55 AM

I am thinking about doing a cycle for mass and strength.
Currently at 95 kilos with about 18% bf.
Thinking about using something basic. Please advise.

**stu** · 10-20-2005, 04:10 AM

Go with a basic bulk of d-ball, deca , test combo, cant lose with this one, im new to the game but its doing wonders for myself at.........
40mg, d-ball per day for 4 weeks.
400mg deca per week, for 10 weeks.
500mg of test per week, for 11 weeks.

Then clomid 2 weeks after last shot,

**marcus300** · 10-20-2005, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by muskel

I am thinking about doing a cycle for mass and strength.
Currently at 95 kilos with about 18% bf.
Thinking about using something basic. Please advise.

id stick with test only cycle with you first time, id say 500mg of test E for 12-14 weeks, you will get the gains your looking for with something this simple, look at your diet and training program aswell.....

**24labor** · 10-20-2005, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

id stick with test only cycle with you first time, id say 500mg of test E for 12-14 weeks, you will get the gains your looking for with something this simple, look at your diet and training program aswell.....

post up your stats and also hit the diet forum up b/c if your diet and training are not in check you wont gain crap on the gear.

**eGGz** · 10-20-2005, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by stu

Go with a basic bulk of d-ball, deca , test combo, cant lose with this one, im new to the game but its doing wonders for myself at.........
40mg, d-ball per day for 4 weeks.
400mg deca per week, for 10 weeks.
500mg of test per week, for 11 weeks.

Then clomid 2 weeks after last shot,

That is way overkill for a first cycle. It is more like what I suggest for a third cycle.

First cycle:
1-12 Test E @ 500mg EW

Second cycle:
1-4 Dbol @ 30mg ED
1-12 Test E or C @ 500mg EW

Third cycle:
1-4 Dbol @ 30mg ED
1-14 Test E or C @ 500mg EW
1-12 Deca @ 400mg EW

**muskel** · 10-21-2005, 02:59 AM

yup thnx got my diet and training in check allright. You dont think that Test E is a bit strong for a first timer?
should'nt i go with lain Deca durabolin by itself?

**NoobJuice** · 10-21-2005, 11:46 AM

Never deca alone your rod will not comply

***JohnnyB*** · 10-21-2005, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by muskel

yup thnx got my diet and training in check allright. You dont think that Test E is a bit strong for a first timer?
should'nt i go with lain Deca durabolin by itself?

No, deca is harder on your hormonal system

JohnnyB

**muskel** · 10-22-2005, 02:00 AM

thanks for the advice. So i should go for the test E huh...But anything else for a first cycle is a waste of money right?

**bigJJ** · 10-22-2005, 03:16 AM

My plan was Test E wks 1 - 15 and Dbol 30mg/ed for 4 weeks (the bloat killed me so I stopped it at 3) Though I wasn't using Nolva as I should have.

I'm currently in week 8 of the test and am lovin' every minute of it. HIGHLY recomended. eGGz and Johnny know of what they speak.

**muskel** · 10-22-2005, 04:23 AM

ok that clears stuff up a bit. One more question: Since test E is pretty strong and i take it now, will weakers steroids like Winstrol and Primabolan work satisfyingly well once i decide to take them later in my next cycle after this one ?

**bolin** · 10-22-2005, 04:35 AM

yes........ dont worry, just make sure you take the correct PCT

**bigJJ** · 10-22-2005, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by muskel

ok that clears stuff up a bit. One more question: Since test E is pretty strong and i take it now, will weakers steroids like Winstrol and Primabolan work satisfyingly well once i decide to take them later in my next cycle after this one ?

Yes, Winny, Primo, Masteron , etc, are used for very specific purposes. Dependent on your body structure, fat and goals.

Testosterone with a longer ester (Enth or Cyp) is a good starting point. Once you get a feel for the "broad brush" that AAS can do, and you sculpt your body according to your goals, then you can look to the more specific and subtle effects of drugs like Winny and Masteron.

**muskel** · 10-22-2005, 05:47 AM

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/hi...c/53867-1.html

thats not my post but anyways.

we all gotta learn through the ass someday. thanks for answering my questions.

i have actually done 2 cycles a few years ago. Dianabol @ 40mg a day+and some winstrol . Had little food, gained about 8 kiloes. A very stupid thing to do alltogether. I'm now putting on strength naturally, dont really feel the need for anabolics. I have my diet in check now. I think i'm gonna just buy my Test E and all of the PCT needed and place it on top of my cupboard to wait.

I'm gonna get some D-bol to kickstart and take it at 10mgs per pound of bodyweight whenever my cycle starts.

Also gonna need Nolvadex , Gonadotrophine, and Proviron . Gonna do some search for the amounts needed.