add clen and winny at the end of bulk.....

**stu** · 10-21-2005, 05:53 PM

CAN YOU CHECK THIS TO SEE IF IT WILL WORK........

D-BALL,50MG,ED 1-4
DECA 400MG,EW 1-9
T400,,500MG EW 1-10
WINNIE TABS,40MG ED 5-10
CLEN 9-14,,,2 ON 2 OFF
clomid, hcg for a couple weeks, 2 weeks after last shot

iM 4 WEEKS IN,THIS IS MY FIRST REAL CYCLE ,PLAYED AROUND A BIT FEW YEARS AGO,,,OR DO THESE CONTRIDICT EACH OTHER,

**305GUY** · 10-21-2005, 05:57 PM

Why are you YELLING! I WOULD RUN THE WINNY LONGER..

**MuckDog** · 10-21-2005, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by 305GUY

Why are you YELLING! I WOULD RUN THE WINNY LONGER..

LOL on the yelling part...and agreed on the winny

**stu** · 10-21-2005, 06:49 PM

i need some help clearing this up if you guys have time id appreciate it ,,,i wont bug ya any more ha ha,,,sorry.

**305GUY** · 10-21-2005, 06:51 PM

I would run the winny week 6-12

**chest6** · 10-21-2005, 07:02 PM

test deca and dbol as your first cycle??? Why test for 11? Why not 12?

**stu** · 10-21-2005, 07:04 PM

just to take it one week past deca so pct matche both

**stu** · 10-21-2005, 07:31 PM

what do you guys think of this for me im 245lbs pretty thick, some belly sore ass ha,5 foot 11 worked out 5 years on and off, wanna lose a bit of belly near the end of this, not doing much cardio rite now wait until about week 9 to hit it hard, save energy for the waits, as well i get pretty lite headed after a good pump,probably normal though , ihope.

**Darkness** · 10-21-2005, 07:39 PM

Yeah I'm going to do the same on my current bulker. Maybe throw in some T3...dunno still have to decide.

**stu** · 10-22-2005, 07:47 AM

brought this back to top to find out about nolva during winny, and if anyone has tried liquidex, to stop bloating and gyno,,could you tell me if it worked for you ,and if it compares to nolva,,30ml bottle ,1mg per ml thanks

**Charged_UP** · 10-22-2005, 08:10 AM

Liquidex or Arimidex are something u should consider with this cycle along with having the nolvadex just incase. The liquidex and arimidex are products that block the production of the enzyme that allows for the conversion of test to estro, so they are something u want to take before u see any side effects as there is a delay time in helping any effects u might already have. Nolvadex just blocks estro, so u still will have high levels in ur system, but it will take care of the problems very quickly.
Winny has a slight anti-estro effect, but with all the test ur taking, u will need the arim/liquidex with some nolv for sure. Also take the winny for longer, shots are better though for results. Dont think of winny as just a cutter it can be used for mass aswell.

***G-1000*** · 10-22-2005, 08:22 AM

bro that cycle is all wrong. this is how it should be run

1-4 d-bol 50mg day
1-12 test 500mg week
1-10 deca 400mg week
9-14 winny 50mg day

***G-1000*** · 10-22-2005, 08:22 AM

fo anti-e this cycle sould run l-dex 1mg day and 200mg b-6 day. then for pct nolv and clomid

**ODC0717** · 10-22-2005, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by stu

CAN YOU CHECK THIS TO SEE IF IT WILL WORK........

D-BALL,50MG,ED 1-4
DECA 400MG,EW 1-9
T400,,500MG EW 1-10
WINNIE TABS,40MG ED 5-10
CLEN 9-14,,,2 ON 2 OFF
clomid, hcg for a couple weeks, 2 weeks after last shot

iM 4 WEEKS IN,THIS IS MY FIRST REAL CYCLE ,PLAYED AROUND A BIT FEW YEARS AGO,,,OR DO THESE CONTRIDICT EACH OTHER,

Here's how I'd strcture what you've got...

dbol , 50mg ed weeks 1-4
deca 400mg ew weeks 1-10
T400 (enjoy this) 500mg ew weeks 1-12
winny 40mg ed, weeks 9-14
The clen looks good. You'll probably want to keep some benadryl on ahnd and use it about e3 week so you can continue to run the clen.

I don't think you'll need HCG to recover from this cycle. HCG is usually reserved for lengthy cycles or heavy cycles. Neither of which your cycle is. Get some B6 and run it at 200mg ed throughout the cycle and PCT. This helps with deca gyno. As for ldex and nolva you should be taking them throughout the cycle. Ldex at .25mg ed and nolva at 10mg ed. Bump the nolva to 20mg PCT. If you've got Q's about PCT check out the PCT forum. There's plety of good info right up in the stickys so you don't have to go looking to deep.

**vein-x** · 10-22-2005, 08:24 AM

Let's keep this up for a while. It seems that lately there are many threads about how to keep more PCT mass and there are a lot of good protocols worth a read. I'm interested in this one as well as the one I'm considering running:

Test Enan @ 500mg/week for weeks 1-13 x 2 injections on Mon & Thurs
EQ @ 400mg week 1-12 x 2 injections on Mon & Thurs (mixed in with Test Enan)
Test Prop @ 150mg/EOD weeks 1-4 and weeks 14-15

As you can see, the Test Prop will be used as a kickstart and a bridge between the last Test Enan. shot and the beginning of PCT. Would Winny be a better option? I don't see why I'd want to switch from Test to Winny at the end of a cycle, if a shorter-ester Test like Prop would work just as good AND keep adding mass. What are your opinions on this?